Finland ate shit. The Finland myth is so braindead. Maybe in the not too distant future we’ll get a Ukraine myth.
Simo Haya and the Ghost Of Kiev are the same sort of mythology
Yeah they tried so hard with the Ghost Of Kiev but unfortunately for them the Ghost of Kiev was literally a ghost lmao. Literally did not exist
Also because now we have surveillance and media on a whole other level so some guy saying he killed 500 people in his diary isn’t as easy to take at face value.
Gilgamesh once beat up the Bull of Heaven
It was written so we know it’s true
This is because the soviet union took what it claimed and nothing else which barely changed the maps
So it’s easy to misunderstand or mislead the situation
It’s not really a secret china’s military is exceptionally incompetent and poorly trained/ran.
Another thing to note is that it does appear as though the Chinese Type 55 destroyer is the most effective Destroyer currently being fielded by any nation. It is similar to a new type of destroyer the US had been trying to field, but had to give up on because it was too expensive to get it working. They threw so much money at it too lol.
The Chinese are also making good progress, and have been spotted doing test flights of a new medium range fighter bomber with 3 engines that could theoretically sink a US Aircraft Carrier.
It’s also important to note that the US was forced into a ceasefire with the Houthis who are the military of the poorest country on earth lol. If Yemen can do that idk what China could do but i can’t imagine it would go well for the US. Considering Taiwan is armed, and trained by the US, and is reliant on them militarily that seems pretty relevant to this.
What if the US pours another ten billion dollars into making two planes and a battleship? They’re loaded to the gills with wunderwaffen designed by six companies, manufactured in eighteen different states and assembled in another twelve.
Ten billion is lay money. If you want the US to REALLY win you need to spend 1.7 trillion and be 10 years late. https://fortune.com/longform/lockheed-martin-f-35-fighter-jet/
Ignore the fact that these “biggest success story” planes have been falling into the red sea.
That’s per unit assembly cost, not r&d
oh true lol thats almost worse
The F-35s didn’t “fall into the Red Sea”, no idea where you’re getting that from.
The F-35 very effective platform, which is exactly why China is making their own version, the J-35. Which China will, as they should, proudly show off during the military parade. This is a major accomplishment for China. The technology that goes into building such an aircraft is incomprehensible to most, and China has accomplished this. Europe hasn’t, Russia hasn’t, but China has.
Thats my bad i thought it was F-35s but it was F-18 super hornets
I’ve found two examples of F-35’s falling off of aircraft carriers, actually.
One in January fell into the Red Sea, and it looks like the British lost one in 2021?
Those were F/A-18s, not F-35s, with regards to Red Sea incidents. Three F/A-18s were lost, one to friendly fire, one fell of the USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier while under evasive maneuvers, and one had an arrestor hook failure. All of this occured while under fire from the Ansarallah/Houthis.
The F-35C “lost in January”, was in January of 2022, on the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier in the South China Sea.
The UK has lost F-35Bs, the vertical/short take off and landing version, from their smaller aircraft carriers, in the Mediterranean.
Via incident rates, the F-35 is safer and has had less incidents than the 4th generation aircraft it replaces. A lot of people don’t know this, but the “media darling” F-14 Tomcat that everyone thinks is the greatest thing ever because of Top Gun, had it’s first loss on it’s second ever flight.
The F-35, the more you look into it, is a technological marvel, which is why China is proceeding to incorporate a lot of the features from the F-35 into it’s own aircraft, like the latest J-20S model and the J-35, a Chinese F-35 analogue. The technology works and I find it silly to make fun of it. China wouldn’t be spending billions on the J-20S and making the J-35 over the past decade plus, if they thought it was useless.
People in the Russian information space just dislike the F-35 because Russia cannot make an equivalent, so anything Russia doesn’t have = useless to them. Same with aircraft carriers, something that people in the Russian information space claim is useless, while China is just about to unveil a new aircraft carrier.
Oop, yeah, that’s what I get for skimming.
Although the one the Brits lost was in the Mediterranean, a separate incident from the one in the South China Sea.
People should remember that, for now, the US still holds technological advantage in aviation.
Heres an article on that new plane https://news-nest.com/2025/07/05/chinas-j-36-unveiling-the-enigma-of-the-three-engine-tailless-stealth-bomber/
“it’s not really a secret china’s military is exceptionally incompetent”
translation: “i’ve seen multiple people on reddit claim this, and i took it on as my opinion. i think this counts as gaining knowledge. doing this has deluded me into thinking i’m an expert on literally everything, which is why i’m talking about this in the first place. i work at sears, what the fuck do i actually know about any of this? believe it or not; everything.”
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Yes but the average redditor’s knowledge of the war consists entirely of memes about le epic nazi sniper who killed a quadrillion commies and epicly lost 3 separate wars
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le epic nazi sniper who killed a quadrillion commies and epicly lost 3 separate wars
Two different people, although maybe that was part of the bit.
Reddit does love le epic Nazi Lauri Törni too.
Yeah my bad I got my
nazi idols mixed up
America has lost more wars in the last hundred years than China has even been in
I mean the truth is that China would probably have issues at the start of a major conflict if one broke out, but that would be because they haven’t been fighting wars constantly for the last forty years so there’s institutional knowledge that the PLA just doesn’t have.
But that said China is also well aware of this institutional knowledge problem, and regularly tries to negate it, ie by hiring retired American military pilots to come and train the PLAAF ones. It’s impossible to say whether that makes up for the gap or not until a peer conflict actually breaks out.
edit: plus the last time China fought America they achieved all of their military goals and forced us to sign a peace treaty and that was seventy years ago when they were still way behind technologically so
Can i just point out that while the US might have been in wars plenty they also have absolutely 0 experience in an actual near peer war. Like the wars the US has fought are basically always one sided. While i guess it’s better than no experience it’s not that great. The only countrys with any real experience in a true modern war is Russia and Ukraine.
The only countrys with any real experience in a true modern war is Russia and Ukraine.
Russia and Ukraine is very far from a modern war. Neither side has 5th generation stealth aircraft, advanced counter UAV/drone systems for their mechanised units, a proper surface navy in the Black Sea, significant numbers of AWACS aircraft, SEAD/DEAD capabilities, or sufficient long range strike capabilitiy. These are all things that the US and China will bring to the table in a potential war. The Ukraine-Russia war is a very unique situation that allows drones to take the spotlight because that’s what both sides can bring to the table. A near peer war with US or Chinese involvement would look very different.
The only countrys with any real experience in a true modern war is Russian and Ukraine.
I’d add Iran and the long list of countries involved in the Second Congo War (plus several ongoing conflicts in that region) to that, as well. Even though they haven’t fought wars with drones, they have fought conventional wars against other professional armies/peers rather recently. India and Pakistan also have a lot of experience due to all the skirmishes with neighbors. They haven’t fought all-out wars, though, due to both countries having nukes as deterrents.
If any of these countries got involved in an escalated conflict, they wouldn’t take long to catch up. Russia and Ukraine are just where all the cutting-edge tech from world powers is being used.
Well i was mainly referring to the new tech theyre using. Ukraine v Russia is the only conflict thats both a full blown war, and also is using the same type of tech youd expect to see in a near peer war involving the US.
The Iran v Israel war for example was rather limited in scope. Even Ukraine and Russia is baby stuff compared to what we would see in a China v USA war. For example in any conflict between the US and China youd see it quickly bleed over into space. Satellite warfare, and space superiority becoming a thing similar to air superiority. Anti sat missiles too.
It is an entirely different ball game once you start doing that. Just imagine for example you lose space superiority over your own country. The enemy can simply drop mass drivers down on you from orbit. Tungsten rods slamming into the ground with the same force as a nuclear weapon. They could monitor all communications on the ground, disable all your navigation sats, watch through the window as your nation leader uses the bathroom. Youd have to be in a bunker 24/7, and start communicating exclusively via shielded fiber optic cables. The war would be over before it even started.
We already see China, and the US both practicing space warfare tactics. Sattelites that move around and can grab on to, and disable or co-opt enemy satellites. Or simply suicide themselves into them. Ship launched missiles that go all the way into orbit and take out sats. etc.
part of what
gets out of fighting to the last ukranian is finding out which wunderwaffles actually work.
getting strong denialist “these women will die for Rhodesia” vibes
Some parts of reddit are basically indistinguishable from a “letters to the editor” section of Soldier of Fortune
"dear soldier of fortune,
I never thought it would happen to me…"
i’d like to bring up the UAE Swat competition, which is a sports contest between the world’s most elite piggies to see who the best donut eater is. It’s been going on since 2019 and China regularly dominates, usually with multiple teams in the top 10. It’s not exactly the PLA or anything, but I think it’s revealing to compare different paramilitaries.
A Chinese team ended up with first place in 2025’s contest whereas the best funded paramilitary in the world, the NYPD, scored…84th.
“we made 200 cops play league of legends to see how many slurs they could use in 40 minutes, ranked by inventiveness, forcefulness, speed and enunciation”
Well obviously that’s because they keep rejecting the NYPD’s petition to add brutalizing Black people to the contest.
Hey theyre the best at brutalizing more than just black people, besides if they allowed that into the competition NYPD would go all Columbine on the competition
If people wanna actually watch the China and NYPD highlights (well, “highlights” in the case of the boys in blue) and/or check out the standings without using that truly awful website, see my earlier comment and the replies, which has timestamped links for all the events as well as full standings in table form:
Thank you. I’m particularly fond of how the Chinese snipers will hit a target in like 3 seconds then move on while the NY pigs will take minutes to set up and then miss multiple times
The NYPD sniper fumbling with the magazine in the Tactical event like he’s in an infomercial is just
He spends as much time fighting the magazine as it takes for the Chinese sniper to run through the door, get prone, ready the rifle, aim, and take the shot
Note to self - do not commit crime in Kazakhstan
I don’t have a horse in that race, but as they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So fuck ukronazis.Redditors don’t seem very confident in Taiwan if their best comparisons are against a country that ate shit against the USSR and a country currently eating shit against Russia
I won’t say there are literally zero lessons, but the tactical and strategic circumstances between ukraine/russia and taiwan/china are so immensely different that it really gives the impression that this person thinks that war is conducted via vibes.
Isn’t that what morale is?
I remember Brit generals said that morale is everything before Somma. After that it was mentioned much less lol.
Le epic Finnish Nazis which totally didn’t eat shit
I mean it doesn’t look good when a Philippines coast guard vessel essentially gets a “maneuver kill” on a Chinese Navy destroyer and Chinese coast guard vessel, with both Chinese ships colliding into each other while chasing down the Philippines ship. That’s an embarrassing mistake that is on China, of course redditors are going to use the opportunity to gloat even if it’s not grounded in facts. We’d do the same if two US Navy ships collided.
Filipinos are the backbone of international shipping. Highly experienced sailors and shouldn’t be underestimated.
Yes, China could still take the Phillipines (they are also very aware of this) but on average I think captains of Filipino ships are likely to be better skilled than their Chinese counterparts.
oh lord the comments.
person doing their job does the normal professional courteous human thing
weirdo who has chinese hatebrain: “haha!! so fucking owned!! i assume the whole world hates china because i was told to!!”
anyone who says “west taiwan” has the history and geography knowledge of a kindergartener. call the US “west british isles” and see how they react
North Cuba
