Per the discussion in these two posts:
https://hexbear.net/post/6569239
https://hexbear.net/comment/6630485
As mod on that (gossip) comm I agree. To be honest, I also think it’s unnecessary to have two separate dunking comms based on whether someone is a public figure or a random person. A lot of times that distinction can be quite blurry, and I don’t blame people for choosing to post in Slop instead, as that is the more active comm.
Reunite El Chisme and Slop to a single comm, and remove slop’s rule #8. “Do not post public figures, these should be posted to c/gossip”
No, actually enforcing the split, when that was being done soon after it was instituted, only resulted in deleting a bunch of posts that already had comments and pissing people off, especially because there never was, and never could be, any kind of objective measure of who is and isn’t a public figure.
Right and I’m not disputing that, but that’s still a moderation issue. Mods not doing the moderation because they don’t like it when their moderation actions cause people to be upset is very much a moderation issue.
A rule being unenforceable both because there is no consistent criteria for enforcing it and because enforcement is near-universally disliked is not a moderation issue, it’s a bad rule.
If a post gets upvoted and used, people always get mad at removal. This is always the case for literally any post removal on the entire site. It’s not limited to the dunk tank drama. It’s not even a unique phenomenon to hexbear, it’s how it goes with literally every content removal on reddit when something is placed in a sub with content rules if that content also got upvotes/comments, it always upsets the users if something that got upvoted gets removed.
That doesn’t make the content rule bad. Just means mods didn’t get there early enough to remove it before people would start upvoting and using it.
They’re not mad about content enforcement or they’d be upset at the 0 comment threads being removed, what they’re actually mad at is having their activity disrupted. That’s not actually the rule, it’s the existence of rules altogether.
If users are upset about a post getting removed, maybe mods shouldn’t have removed it?
This site had dreams of democratic moderation when we started, and I know that’s far easier said than done, but there’s still been too much paternalist, “its for your own good”-moderation since then that has always upset the user base. No one here is ever upset about racist/misogynist/wrecker/etc posts getting nuked, we’re only ever upset about mods being weird about stuff.
You’re really eliding the part where no consistent criteria for enforcement exist
Anyone who is a brand or working for one, or anyone who is part of a public-interest news event. Everyone else is not a public figure?
Million follower streamer: not a public figure.
Amazon delivery driver: working for a brand, public figure.
Streamers are all brands if they’re making income from it. Some are shitty brands, they are brands nonetheless.
Is the amazon delivery driver using their position as a delivery driver to raise the platform that their voice stands on?
The reason a person working for a brand is mentioned here is because someone working at CNN who tweets something is using the fact they work for the CNN brand as a platform to stand upon to raise their voice above that of others. This makes them a public figure. The amazon driver is not gaining a platform from being an amazon driver, so they’re not a public figure, except in the cases where they’ve been thrust into being a public figure through some news event, for example if an amazon driver is involved in a police shootout and was present at the scene.
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We like when you nuke wreckers or racists or transphobes. We don’t like when you stop our fun just because you’re not having fun. It’s not that complex.
Like if no one is actually being a piece of shit just stay out.
Yeah I think anyone that has moderated a space anywhere would realise this.
I really think that the people that are like that just need to be bullied a bit about it. Some moderation is good and needed. I think some of it is just general anti authority sentiment in the left and sometimes users in a leftist space allow their behaviour towards cops to leak into their behaviour towards moderators when that’s an absolutely inappropriate way to react or behave. Not that mods aren’t guilty of mistakes either at times though.
As the One True Egoist of Hexbear and famous rule hater, I simply cannot remember having any moderation action taken against my posts due to rules. Complainers should simply post better. 💁