William Luther Pierce, author of the Turner Diaries and face of the American Neonazi movement for a time, was a vile fascist fuck but he at least had enough self-awareness to understand he hated the vast majority of white people (hence why his famous “work” involves the extermination of most of them along with Jews and non-whites). These people, on the other hand, are deluded enough to post this slop and not understand how alone they are. Ultimately, all racism comes down to misanthropy but this just makes it obvious. (Plus, it’s funny to go on about how much you hate brown/black people and white people who don’t see them as animals but then moralize about Zionists murdering brown kids)
I’d almost feel sorry for them if I didn’t want to see them get
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Nah, I like that though.
It’s the number one biggest misconception about communism and it’s great to point out it to people early on when they tell you why communism can’t work, because it’s usually the only thing they have as an arguement and it stops them dead
“Yes, good. Do you think your boss should make more than you? What do they even do?”
What about people who do very undesirable, dangerous or stressful jobs, like paramedics, nurses, sanitary workers, that sort of thing? I think they deserve to earn more. CEOs can burn in hell, but there are plenty of jobs that deserve higher renumeration than say a cushy desk job
Paramedics are poorly paid in America. Nurses are paid far less than they are worth in most states.
I have driven an ambulance and I was making less money than the server at a restaurant. Money wasn’t the factor there. In most places you got paid less for the more dangerous assignments and people fought for those ppositions just so they could be part of the action.
Actual management is important to any organization. If you got the same wage doing that as you did for any other role it would get done by some other way than pure averice. Like, if you have ever worked at a place that was well managed you can just feel it. However most places are managed for maximum profit instead and so we don’t get to feel that.
The response you’ll get is something along the lines of “they steer the company, so they make everything possible”.
The counter to this is to say “if the boss took a 6-month vacation, nothing would happen, but if the workers all went on strike for a day, the company would shut down”.
No one says that about their boss. They say it about other hypothetical bosses.
I have worked alongside a lot of bootlickers, what can I say
From Paul Cockshott’s Towards a New Socialism, my line on this is as follows: workers should get paid the same basic wage of 1 labor hour per hour they spent working, which may be redeemed (not exchanged) for some item or service that takes 1 hour of labor to produce according to the country’s economic plan. They may opt to work a little less hard or a little harder, with expectations of their work changing as a result, to have a slightly different wage; this difference in rate should never result in someone earning at more than twice the rate of someone else. Additionally, if a certain position is in high demand and programs to incentivize people to work in it aren’t producing enough people, that position’s rate could be raised too.
A few obvious responses:
What about highly educated workers, why would someone get a PhD just to earn the same as someone with a technical degree? Students would get paid the same as any worker to attend university. You don’t earn anything except being a more skilled and well-rounded person for gettiny an education (there’s a few prickly details about the accessibility of education for people that come from disadvantaged backgrounds, elitism, and how that might feed into stratification in a socialist society, this question deserves its own in-depth answer).
What about dangerous jobs? Obviously you would expect that putting workers in control of their workplaces would mean that occupational safety would automatically be a lot better, but if occupational hazards are still significant (I think this might just always be the case if your job is something wild like deep underwater construction) those positions would need some additional incentive, this might be the most extreme rate difference where the workers are making much more than everyone else.
Now the actual flaw with this, though, is that I’m just engaging in Utopian thinking here. Real world political projects don’t work by first imagining the best possible world and trying to build it directly; you have to work with the contradictions you are inside of. China has billionaires. Socialism in reality is not socialism in theory, it’s real. So all of this should be taken with a grain of salt. And Cockshott is a TERF.
My counter argument is that if I could have a cooler job for the same pay I’d rather do the cooler job. I work in Healthcare and I have only met a small handful of doctors in it for thr money. They like the money sure, but love of money isn’t gonna get you through medical school.
If I didn’t need to worry about rent there are cooler jobs that pay less that I rather have now.
Usually in society the harder dirtier work is paid less. So obviously that isn’t a factor. I have been a janitor. I worked harder for less than I do now.
Look at coal mining. 1. It is bad and doesn’t need to happen. 2. It would be fine if you used reasonable safety and worker health precautions. Like, I wouldn’t be a coal miner. However, if I got to drive a giant digger and wear a proper respirator so I didn’t have to worry about black lung that sounds rad.
I am unaware of any situation where the work has to be shitty and has to be done. I think all those situations are created by capital and if people got equal wages then alot of thst woudl clean itself up.
If the boring jobs ended up with enough of a deficit that couldn’t be solved with promotion and nudging people softly, they would get the same adjustment as anything else. I guess it’s funny to think of, like, a deep water welder and a nurse being the wealthiest people in a socialist society though. What are some other boring jobs that would end up in that position?
Fuck me sideways, I did not know this. Thanks for the heads up. I found his stances on immigration quite dumb and borderline reactionary, but I didn’t know he was also a TERF. Fucking hellish island.