• Hyper_red [she/her, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    14 days ago

    Britain is like this because the country was basically 100% a looting machine up until the 50s/60s. Like I think a lot of brits don’t realize that they were always going to eventually collapse this hard with how much they relied on their colonies for hundreds of years.

    People wonder why the UK and France tried to appease Hitler but it was because they knew if Hitler fucker their shit up enough it would kill their empires. They both tried to hold on for a bit after WW2 but they couldn’t germany destroyed too much of their countries and they collapsed.

    The difference is after WW2 Britain immediately became America’s lapdog while France became more independent, both economically and politically (but not by much) They are still both vassal states but post WW2 britain is 100% just an extension of the US not even a vassal state. (Tony Blair being important for invading Iraq, British intelligence with installing the Shah in Iran, etc)

    The Brits entire economy after WW2 was esstiannly london banks, but mostly US aid, and then what industry they did rebuild they destroyed in the 80s. But they were fucked then anyway, the country was ruined, they lost their source of income (the colonies) and they have nothing now. Britian cannot be a rich country without rapid industrialization and centralization which will never happen as its being positioned to be a market for us capitalists to suck dry

    France was smarter with their neo colonialism in Africa and stuff but they’re going through the same shit, just Britain was always going to have it worse.

    Spain, France, Portugual, UK, these are all countries that relied on colonies for so long they failed to industrialize like the US, China, Japan, etc

    Spain and portugual just went through it early with the napoleonic wars and then for spain the lose verus America over cuba and the Monroe doctrine designed it so that American dominance over south America would be in place not Spanish so they just started going through the process of losing their colonies a lot earlier and hence why spain is just now disney world for Europeans.

    The exact same thing will happen to the US btw once American vassals in the middle east, Europe, south America, and Asia all leave the US behind when the American empire falls. America already industrialized (though not as badly as the Europeans) and relies so fucking much on being an empire.

    History repeats yada yada

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      13 days ago

      Historically England was a significant European power yet much less populous than the great continental power such as the HRE, France, Italy and Spain. It was of similar population size as Bulgaria in the high medieval age. Through its adoption of early capitalism and colonialism, england became one of the most overpopulated countries in europe - its exemplified by the difference in the population of ireland and england today. Back then England had only around 1 million people more than Ireland, today its over 50 million people extra. So Ireland fell from being around ~40% the population of England to around 12% - and that is including the whole of Ireland not just the Republic of Ireland.

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        13 days ago

        We should probably have like at least double the population here in Ireland but the famine and everyone moving out all the time has kept it lower

        A lot of Irish people cope and go “there should be 50 million Irish people” but like naw it would be more realistic IMHO to be like 16-20 million or something in that range