• Edamamebean [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Talking to libs about this is so fucking depressing. They all claim to be horrified by the looming prospect of ww3 but are utterly incapable of envisioning any solution other than ratcheting up tensions on the arms race. Last time I talked to my father about this topic he told me he wants Canada to get nukes, I was just speechless. Where do these people envision this brinkmanship ending up?

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      Libs seem to think the only way to prevent world war 3 is to destroy or subjugate the rest of the world. So the only way to prevent the world war is to have it, I guess. Somehow that makes sensei-love-not-thinking

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        Yeah that’s about it. When I told him I think we should defund the military he said that there are “people who would slit your throat the second they get the chance if you let them”. Just the most chauvinistic old school racist savage barbarians at the gates type nonsense. It was a good reminder why I stopped trying to talk to him about politics.

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          people who say shit like that creep me out, it feels like they would murder people if they think they could get away with it. makes me think of the God-humpers who will say “everyone would just [redacted] and murder without God” but reasonable people say “I’m doing as much of that stuff as I want right now: zero”

          there’s also of course zero thought as to what kind of material conditions would make the putative throat-slitter so desperate or how those conditions came to be. nope, they’re just evil brown savages or whatever

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      The cold war promised multiple generations the end of the world. The end never came, the west won, and now in their final years have a yearn for what was promised

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        Yeah because their ideology was utterly false and just a facade for privatization. The lives of the working class in the west immediately started going down hill at the same time that old soviet union they hated so much did.

        Also I guess they genuinely thought communism wouldn’t work? Cause they forgot about several other parts of the world when they “won” that cold war.

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      They are not horrified. They might be uncomfortable with it, but how can you be horrified if you think the most powerful army in the world is protecting you and keeping you safe and warm?

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    even as Russia’s war in Ukraine rages, impacting the cost of fuel.

    motherfucker, it wouldn’t have impacted the cost of fuel if you hadn’t stuck your fucking nose in and sanctioned your major fuel supplier

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          In some countries the CIA has to send undercover assets to sabotage nuclear power projects. In Germany they just sign them up to be Die Grünen / Linke reps.

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          fossil fuel industry spent decades pouring a bunch of money into “environmental” opposition to nuclear power and I’m sure they consider it well-spent

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            Hinckley C, Bradwell B, and I think Sizemore C were the most high profile nuclear projects with big Chinese investment and collaboration, although most also included France’s EDF energy. The projects started in the 2000s but most didn’t start building until the 2010s when the shift away from China happened. I’m sure there’s dozens of articles online, it was fair big ongoing British business / infrastructure news for a number of years.

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    hostile intelligence activity against the UK has jumped by more than 50% over the past year.

    if you take even half a second to think about this it sounds stupid. what are they measuring?

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      Could just be worried people calling to report scary drones 50% more than previously, the imperialist’s metrics really are almost meaningless.

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      what are they measuring?

      They are measuring things they report themselves. “This year we have reported 50% more incidents, give us 500% more funding”.

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    I remember when people gave me shit for refusing to vote Labour because “we have to get the tories out at all costs”

    Now we have an even bigger shitshow in charge doug-clap

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    Really depressing talking to even so called “leftists” about massive militarization by Europe, Japan and Canada they will just attack you and support it by claiming Russia as some massive threat that mandates spending billions on arming their military or as one Canadian did a couple weeks ago absurdly claim Canadian militarization is good because they are preparing for an imminent American invasion north like that’s really what Canada is going to do with their death machines.

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    Rapidly developing plans on how to Escape to Bahamas for a nice holiday, while the people of European nations continue to do absolutely nothing about it.

    What army? They can’t even unite under 1 economy.

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    Is there some good agitprop showing identical pro-war propaganda on the eve of WW1 in western media, so I can show libs that it’s exactly the same?

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      If you’re willing to do some research I’ve found libraries’ newspaper archives to be a good source for that sort of thing, a couple years ago I did some poking around to see what the Allied coverage of the battle of the somme looked like compared to one of Ukraine’s counteroffensives

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          It definitely reinforced my skepticism of news media, contrasting the old newspaper reports of the first day of the battle vs what we know from hindsight and then just looking at how conflicts like Ukraine are covered vs the footage on the ground. For example, how many times have you heard of “Russian meat waves”? If you just read certain media reports you’d think it’s the opening scene of Enemy At The Gates every day, while I have yet to see anything even close to a mass infantry attack. You’d think if such footage existed it’d be everywhere as proof of the “Russian disregard for human life”…

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    Oh fuck yeah, the most deluded country on earth thinking they can do anything without its colonies. This reckoning has been coming for 400 years