Yes. In fact, I’ve decided to take a leap of faith and join the California National Party, which you can all check out here: CNP website. I am sick of the usual Republicans vs Democrats. Everytime one party is in power, we are constantly worrying about the loss of civil and human rights. Lets start with a clean slate. If you are a California resident, at least check out their party platform. Also, in 2026, there will be a gubernatorial candidate for CNP. His name is Sean Forbes.
I support balkanizing the US
Wouldn’t work out. World’s too complicated for simple answers like that.
Leaving, even if it would produce a viable nation, would involve leaving a lot of people in the lurch. There’s people in conservative states who need the counter balance of blue states to slow down their government’s trend to self destruction and fascism.
Even though it’s increasingly frustrating with how feeble that resistance is, it does keep things like banning gay marriage in the “difficult to pass” territory and not the “a few compromises” one.
Coloradan. Only if a neighboring State does, because if not, we are neighboring other borders and we would be landlocked without food or water imports. Its either all Pacific and Front Range States agree we have to split, or none of us can.
Our most populous cities, Denver and CO Springs, are below the mountains, and are screwed in a combat scenario.
I don’t see Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, or Kansas doing so willingly.
New Mexico went Kamala. Border state.
A bulkanized US would certainly be good for the planet, assuming it survived the preliminary civil wars as nation state boundaries are created and alliances made with Canada and Mexico. Who gains control of all the nukes would be a big question.
I want a great lake union that partners with portions of Canada to control the vast amounts of fresh water
Bring back the western reserve!
Absolutely. Not because I think it would necessarily be better off, but because I don’t want us to contribute to the empire and the loss of our economy would devastate the US.
yeah if we figure out a way to not starve
Colorado would be Switzerland of North America, but with concussed weed smoking ski bums instead of billionaire globalist
Anything that hastens the death of the U.S. is good by me.
trumpistan leaves, enters techbronia.
This throws under the bus the many many non republicans in places gerrymandered such that the minority can continue it’s rule. My life would probably get better, but only at their expense as more and more solvent states leave the union. I’m not willing to ‘punish’ those people for the crime of being born in a impossibly corrupt district.
No, not really. While I am not white, I am American through and through. I don’t really prefer to be something else. I just think we should fix what we can. Preferably while we can.
I would absolutely prefer to be something else
You can be?
I’d much rather California split into 12 different states, each with roughly the population of Nevada.
I feel like the US would take over California again if that was the case. It’s why they like to split up their enemies, to make them easier to control (Korea, China, all the gulf states and parts of the Ottoman Empire, Yugoslavia, etc.).
My personal view is yes, California should leave. I feel like California has the best chance of turning into some sort of Democratic Socialist state without the rest of the US holding it back, and it’s big and rich enough it could possibly actually defend it.
A big part of the reason that Republicans are more able to pass legislation is that smaller states have a larger impact than they should, based on their populations.
Each state has a number of members in the House of Representatives in proportion to their population - 52 for California. Each state has two members in the Senate, so CA has the same amount of power in the Senate as Wyoming, which has a population of under 600k to CA’s 39 million.
Beyond the impact on Congress, the sum of those counts determines the number of electoral votes a state has in presidential elections. So California has 54 electoral college votes.
If California split up into 12 different states, each would end up with 6 electoral votes. The total count in the House would decrease from 52 to 48, and some other state would get the remaining 4 (though even that could be avoided by just having some sub-states be large enough to get 5 Representatives) but the total count of Senators would increase from 2 to 24 and the total electoral vote count would increase from 54 to 72.
Many of the smallest US states are firmly red, which means Republicans don’t need as much popular support to make policy changes. This would help reverse that. Heck, if California went all the way and split into 65 states, each with the population of Wyoming, they’d end up with 195 electoral college votes.
I feel like the US would take over California again if that was the case.
I’m not sure how you think the US would take over CA again, or what the impact would be, if it continued to be part of the US and just split into several different states. Could you elaborate?
Oh I see what you’re saying. I thought you were saying 12 different states, as in different countries. I’ve been reading a lot of international news lately.
If we could do it in a peaceful and democratic way that doesn’t lead to an immediate second civil war, yeah, I’d probably vote for it. It seems to have worked out well enough for Czechia and Slovakia.
