I looked at her Wikipedia page for all of ~15 seconds and I found this gem.
Means has spoken in support of raw milk, stating, “When it comes to a question like raw milk, I want to be free to form a relationship with a local farmer, understand his integrity, look him in the eyes, pet his cow, and then decide if I feel safe to drink the milk from his farm.”
Everyone is just fucking crazy these days
it’s how i know i’m a special boy with a big brain
From the headline she sounds like I would have enjoyed her company cause I be speaking highly of psychedelics and petting cows.
Then you learn she’s a Republican and then in the Trump cabinet 15 minutes into the conversation and you’re like oh fuck oh no
petting cows
what do you mean by this?
+ cowso like… if the farmer pets the cow, you’re cool with everything else required to make the cow produce milk?
I didn’t mention milk. I don’t understand why you’re interested in my opinion on the matter
Looking for fights when they should be looking for cows to pet.
Dont diss psychadelics
Seriously. Don’t make psychedelics a right wing thing just because of shit like this. The war on drugs is awful and if Republicans end it (they won’t) that’s great
For real, not too jazzed seeing this kind of sentiment here. Psilocybin has been the only thing that has helped my CPTSD in any meaningful way. Years and years of talk therapy have done nothing at best or has been actively harmful at worst. Psychedelics are no magic bullet by any means, but they’re incredibly powerful tools to heal trauma if used correctly. If we actually manage to get some level of legalization/decriminalization/medicalization/whatever on psychedelics from whatever cranks are filling out the various health departments in the federal government, then so be it.
I would imagine a big part of the ‘anti mushroom’ sentiment in the press is that they’re not currently controlled by bayer-bayer. They’re already in the same drug class as heroin in aus, and seeing celebrities go off about how ‘i could never love a man until i was high’ or whatever her point is, pretty frustrating
heroin helped my mental health too, both these things being unregulated blackmarket drugs is what makes them dangerous imo
I think psychedelecic therapy is tenatively legal here, but its guided with a
tripsittercounsellor, which is probably better than eating mushrooms you find in a park and rolling around in the garden by yourselfOh it’s all “touch grass” this or “logout” that, but when I go on a heroic spirit quest naked on my unmowed front lawn (IT’S FOR THE POLLINATORS JANET) after eating 20 caps I’m somehow being irresponsible?
So much for the tolerant left.
When paired with talk therapy, it has been studied as a treatment for psychiatric conditions and alcoholism, but very little research has been done in healthy people.
Little research has been done because it’s a controlled substance.
It’s a controlled substance because we lack research. 🙃
And since psilocybin can’t be patented, there is no profit incentive to fund research. Most efficient system.
Bill Burr credits mushrooms for improving his personality.
I’d rather be governed by a Magic 8 Ball than these people
she’s bringing the magic mushrooms and there were already tons of 8-balls going up their noses
understand his integrity, look him in the eyes, pet his cow
this is key for preventing microbial infection typically prevented by the Pasteurization process.
god I wish I could pet someone’s cow
I think the reason these people praise raw milk specifically is because it’s enough to make you sick enough to require serious hospitalization but often not sick enough to die and be unable to pay back your medical debt, so from a healthcare expense perspective, it’s a pretty potent revenue driving tool. Plus you’ll probably get repeat customers.
Okay, this is at least a funny choice.
And probably less bad than Dr. Oz.
how long until they’re playing Terence McKenna and Alan Watts videos in the Oval Office
The future of America
Tom Green being Tom Green
Mushrooms are good but I don’t hold with this therapy angle. Just go take em in the woods.
Last I heard they were good at treating addiction but this was years ago and I never really followed up with this.
Basically all psychedelic research has major methodology flaws and systemic issues behind it
Methodology: Expectancy bias - the control vs condition is usually abundantly clear to both the participants and researchers. The impact of the drugs are so dramatic that it’s fairly obvious what category they’re in. So then people on the drugs expect to see benefits and clinicians (unexpectedly or otherwise) reinforce this
Often co occur with talk therapy which confounds effect, eg which is helping?
Often go by subject self report and not any kind of objective measure of symptoms
Subjects are often highly selected, filtering comorbidities like bipolar disorder or suicidal ideation
Very few, if any, have explored effect beyond 1 year or so
There have been ethical issues on the part of therapists doing the trials (MDMA MAPS research specifically)
Studies for addiction specifically are preliminary and small but do show promise
Systemically:
There is a huge demand for novel treatments for treatment resistant depression and PTSD. This will be an extremely lucrative industry
There is a huge demand for a legitimized pathway to psychedelic drugs. If medical marijuana and ketamine treatment are any indicators there will be plenty of doctors that will be absolutely willing to meet you via zoom, basically ask “do you have ptsd?” and then write you a script for Molly. It’s positive that this will give users a safe source of these drugs free of adulterants and limit legal consequences but it will also reflect the above: lucrative industry.
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They likely have some benefit but are not the wonder drugs some people make them out to be. Mental health is complex, ptsd and depression are difficult and aren’t really cured as much as managed. Medications can help and novel medications are needed. There are likely no medications that would “fix” the issue on their own though. Patterns of behavior perpetuate sensitization to trauma and influence cycles of depression.
Medication may be a part of that puzzle of achieving remission of course. using psilocybin as an example: one of the reasons it’s promising as a method is because it increases cortical entropy, which increases variability in brain patterns. There is also disruption of the default mode network, which can change self referential and ruminative thought. These effects are obviously desirable. But if you immediately go back to a pattern of hiding from your trauma, a life devoid of meaning, or a cycle of deactivating behaviors the pattern will potentially re emerge
To expand on that last point this side steps the obvious elephant in the room of these treatments can’t fix systemic issues. I’ve been doing mental health treatment for over a decade and you can’t cbt or pills your way out of social issues. Even if mushrooms were a miracle cure for treatment resistant depression it would just come right back after spending a few months or years in a system where you constantly scrape for a paycheck to barely cover costs, dread the future you can’t afford to retire in, and recognize the system that will not throw you a life preserver when you are drowning.
A huge percentage of the people I work with that are depressed and can’t “beat it” aren’t that way because they haven’t found the right pills, talk therapy, or lack of trying. It’s because they are stuck in a system that gives them no resources to explore their passion and creativity. They were in high school and were interested in art, science, music, writing, dance, whatever. But then they entered “job mode” and the time and money they had for their hobbies diminished rapidly. Now it’s 5,10,20 years later and social spaces not dedicated to getting drunk are rare or expensive, they spend 50-70% of income on housing and medical expenses, they work 50+ hours a week in a job unrelated to their interests, that they “fell into”.
Imagine if they had equitable housing, a pension, and healthcare. The ability to be able to go back to school and study something they were more passionate about and make it work without incurring extreme debt or having to balance it with employment that impairs their ability to focus on studies. Would it work for all of them? No. But would you see a lot of people with “treatment resistant depression” start to just feel better and more secure
GOOD postOften co occur with talk therapy which confounds effect, eg which is helping?
the talk therapy is not fucking helping on its own lmao
Not reading all that
Go back to Reddit
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Its not even 1000 words, and our comrade actually broke the text up and formatted it really nicely. Reading is good for you. Your joke is supposed to be directed at chuds, youre essentially telling someone trying to help you to ‘fuck off’
next time, consider saying nothing
You should. It’s a pretty well-balanced assessment: psychedelics are hard to test reliably, and they probably help to some degree. But the real problem—capitalism grinding you down until you’re a shell of a human—isn’t going to get fixed by any drug.
thanks for letting me know
There is lots of research about low dose mushrooms being extremely effective at treating things like PTSD and depression
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She has almost certainly drank milk straight from the teet
That’s when you really trust the farmer because in a former life he was Alt-Louis Pasteur.
