• earlier this morning, I saw some poll on shitty ass reactionary Newsweek or some place like it that had confidence/support for Trump’s DOJ in handling Epstein in the single digits, lmao. those are toilet numbers in America, where probably a third of the US still thinks Brett Farve is a good guy.

    if he pardons her, the sheer number of already unstable, armed qanon weirdos that will experience a violent psychotic break and become aggressively fixed has got to be the subject of a secret service PowerPoint slide.

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      if he pardons her, the sheer number of already unstable, armed qanon weirdos that will experience a violent psychotic break and become aggressively fixed has got to be the subject of a secret service PowerPoint slide.

      That’s the wild part, it really can go both ways, either they snap and try and do something funny or they double down and claim this is another 4D chess move you wouldn’t understand.

      • diverted state of Mississippi funds earmarked for food stamps and welfare funds to his own bullshit.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_welfare_funds_scandal

        a local reporter uncovered the whole thing. it is fucking wild and so consistent with rich people looting public funds to further enrich themselves at the expense of the most vulnerable.

        here’s a video account summary (~18 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efp3_TjHuYY

        additional update (~9 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGZ96LyB0I

        and it’s obvious he knew how fucked it was, because he texted the ringleader to make sure it wouldn’t get out. guy is a phenomenal piece of shit with a carefully crafted public image so far from reality, it exists in a theoretical dimension.

          • yeah, it’s crazy. i think i heard about it around ~2 years ago, because a friend of mine clued me in to the coverage. at the time we both worked in “The Academy” and are both into watching the ways in which academia is being used as a tool of neoliberalism to maintain the capitalist structure, so the granular details of federal Temporary Assistance aka direct distributed money for need families–which Mississippi rejects 90% of to keep its underclass even more desperate–be pipelined to do capital investment for university expansion of sports infrastructure with that money was like… i dunno, the holy grail of corruption and graft. i mean, it was so bad that some of the central figures got caught, indicted, and convicted. if you’re rich, white, famous and still manage to end up hip deep in shit for screwing over broke minorities in mississippi… you really went too hard.

            the fact that it was an NFL grifter with hundreds of millions of his own money that pressured for and brokered the deal while also pocketing a few million from the cut as a sweetener was just chefs-kiss

            the university, the state apparatus, and some aspects of sports media have done much to try and memoryhole it through underreporting, both to protect the institutions as well as a bankable celebrity property/“local hero” from a connected family (Favre)… but the fact that the shitwizard in the middle decided to roll over and cooperate after facing 35 YEARS in prison, releasing tons of communications and texts has troubled those attempts… because a lot of shit is now public record.

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        The worst sin of all, playing for the Minnesota Vikings!

        real answer

        Sexual Harassment while still a player, and doing all kinds of wellfare fraud/public fund embezzlement scams after retirement

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      What happens if he just serves up 5 democratic pedophiles and maybe 1 billionaire and calls it quits? The problem is, who talks, who is killed immediately, do they start pointing fingers?

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    i looked at r/conservative to see what they were saying, and they think that trump is “dangling a pardon over her head so she keeps talking”. as if the deal wouldnt be “dont talk and i’ll pardon you”. they still cling onto hope that trump is a “benevolent pedophile” lmfaooo

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    If he pardons her we may actually see a serious schism within the GOP. I think there’s too many people who signed on because they believed Trump was going to punish pedophiles, if Ghislaine goes on TV to say Trump didn’t do shit and he pardons her, that is going to break some brains.

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        If you confidently say something out loud enough times it starts becoming pretty embarrassing to backtrack on it. If they can’t even come up with a justification that’s convincing in their inner monologue, they’ll have to either backtrack on being pro-Trump or being anti-pedophilia. This might sound absurdly optimistic, but I actually think most magas would have an easier time revoking support for Trump than saying they don’t care about pedophilia.

    • I’m kinda torn because I know Maxwell still isn’t getting the punishment she deserves but this is still better than nothing, and pardoning her may be really hurtful to the victims.

      On the other hand, it may create an interesting series of events as long as NEH campists put down the lathe.

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      I think there’s too many people who signed on because they believed Trump was going to punish pedophiles

      These people don’t care about pedophiles. They care about punishing liberals and built up a public reason to justify their hatred. They care about punishing non white people, queer folks, and women and will do any sort of mental gymnastics to go back to supporting Trump.

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    I think certain media strategies make a lot more sense if you look at it as a private conversation said in public rather than simply a public statement. The FBI guy did one of these earlier this year on Epstein where he answered a question nobody in the room asked. It’s easy to write it off as just poor presentation or trying to avoid other questions. But I think there is a deeper purpose and that is to let specific people or a specific person know something. If you contact them directly, that puts a clear line from you to them. If you shout in an public place and they happen to be there to hear it, you’re talking to everyone.

    So anyways, Ghislaine was visited last week by Bondi or Bondi’s team. What Trump said here is to show Ghislaine he’s ready to play ball on her pardon. It’s not a Trump gaff. The plan may be to feign weakness, have the GOP put her in a congressional hearing where she says she never met Trump, and then pardon her. Is it an obvious gambit? Yes. But it’s legal and there’s enough plausible deniability for the 20% of Republicans that matter. Ghislaine goes to Israel for protection and Trump can move on with the Russiagate trial as a palette cleanser.

    This has to be like watching the Warren Commission shit. Like a lot of the public agrees this is fishy and everyone is hoping someone will step in to stop it. But then it happens and a few years later you’re the punchline of every conspiracy theorist caricature. There’s going to be some MCU movie in 10 years with a tinfoil character and one of the heroes will quip “Oh you think Epstein’s island was real too eh? pffft”

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      There’s going to be some MCU movie in 10 years with a tinfoil character and one of the heroes will quip “Oh you think Epstein’s island was real too eh? pffft”

      Sorta off topic, but I watched X-Men: Days of Future Past last night and I choked on my drink cackling when they got to the “DID MAGNETO KILL JFK?!?” part

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      Ghislaine goes to Israel for protection and Trump can move on with the Russiagate trial as a palette cleanser.

      Meanwhile chuds go 210% “Jews did it, Jews did it!” and go off the deep end on anti-semitism and pedophile blood libel shit into full on classic Nazism as a result. Some of the smarter white nationalists pre-positioned for this pivot will be there to scoop them up, having already positioned themselves as outside the mainstream on imperialism, antagonism against Russia, and being critical of the mainstream chud info-tainment sphere (Fox, other Trump bootlickers), etc. Within 2 years a deranged chud radicalized by this shoots up a synagogue or Jewish school while proclaiming they’re stopping pedophiles.

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    Ive seen red maga frothing mad chuds in the wild posting shit like uh, trump telling superman he (trump) is a hero before getting smacked and quipped with “heroes dont protect pedophiles” and like obviously that doesn’t mean a lot but it’s not nothin IMO. It’s cracks in his support

    I think a lot of his most vocal online hogs were really on that q anon shit and he’s kinda giving incontrovertible evidence that it was all bullshit that, somehow, not even these people can deny any longer

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      Ive seen red maga frothing mad chuds in the wild posting shit like uh, trump telling superman he (trump) is a hero before getting smacked and quipped with “heroes dont protect pedophiles” and like obviously that doesn’t mean a lot but it’s not nothin IMO. It’s cracks in his support

      Until you remind them Trump’s blackbagging minorities by the hundreds of thousands. He’s giving them what matters, there are no cracks in his support.

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    Given how pissed off people are about the sudden pivot on Epstein to this point, i figure he’s on track to get got by a melted brain Gen Xer libertarian who’s memorized every episode of south park

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    I am begging everyone, from us to even the most brunch-loving liberal, play up the epstein angle at every turn. Call Trump and every rightoid a diddler.

    This could be our gamergate moment if we play our cards right.