Feddit post in support of zionism
Hi.
In the past few days, discontent regarding mod decisions in this community has been brewing, particularly when it comes to comments on Palestine, Israel, and Israeli politics and actions. There are also misunderstandings regarding mod intention and German law. We hope to clear that up with this post.
While the servers of feddit.org are in Austria, most of the mods of this community as well as admins of this server live in Germany. Speaking of, our server admins have also posted a write-up on the same topic.
And with that, let’s go:
In Germany, antisemitism is specifically sanctioned in German criminal law, both for speech and as a motivation for other criminal behavior. In addition, Germany seeks to protect the Jewish state of Israel (the so-called “Reason of State” introduced in 2008) and thus verges toward protecting Zionism as well. Certain criticism of Israel/Israelis is also categorized as “Israel-related antisemitism”.
Since criminal law is involved, enforcement can mean things like police raids and device confiscations. After such police action, it does not really matter if it was appropriate or if cases are dropped or never charged: The damage is done. All told, it’s not that fun.
There is also no point in engaging in discussions about the veracity of statements that could get us into legal trouble. In addition, we believe that you can express most opinions without breaking rules.
Another post about they are totally not Zionazis
Hello all,
in the last few days there have been some accusations against the moderators of !europe@feddit.org as well as against our admin team of being Nazis or Zionists, mainly because of the way of dealing with criticism of Israel.
We explicitly reject these accusations and will not tolerate such accusations. In particular, people who accuse others in this way without any concrete objective reason are not welcome on feddit.org. This is already covered by our rule of respectful interaction.
First of all, we would like to remind you, that the use of feddit.org must be compliant with the rights and regulations of the DACH region. This is explicitly mentioned in our instance rules, and includes Germany (D), Austria (A) and Switzerland (CH). The infrastructure of feddit.org is maintaind by the Fediverse Foundation, a non-profit association in Austria. Our Admin team, which takes care of the instance wide moderation, organization and supporting infrastructure operations, is based in Germany. Since we primarily target the German speaking coutries, we also try to comply with laws and regulations of Switzerland.
Even if we do not have to actively search for violations of the law, it is necessary to intervene after becoming aware of them. This includes, for example when moderators or admins receive messages about posts or comments, but also when such content is discovered by chance when browsing Lemmy.
In this instance, we fully support the moderators of !europe@feddit.org to potentially remove too much rather than too little in case of legal uncertainties.
One of the triggers for the current debate is this post, which followed the removal of a comment comparing National Socialism with the current situation in Israel, which can be considered a trivialization of National Socialism. Such statements can, among other things, lead to imprisonment. Among other things, the post claimed that the removal had a Zionist motive, an accusation that should always be supported by appropriate evidence and prior to which it should be ruled out that there are alternative explanations.
We will not be removing every comment that goes even remotely in this direction, but we reserve the right to permanently ban users from feddit.org who make unfounded accusations, such as labeling our instance, admins, moderators, or other users as Nazis or Zionists, without substantial supporting arguments. This is especially the case when this is recurring behavior and not an isolated incident.
This includes content such as this post by @Deceptichum@quokk.au, who was banned from our instance shortly before that post due to multiple incitements of violence and terrorism. This person also seems to be the admin of the instance quokk.au, or at least to have good relations to the admin, since we received a censure on Fediseer from quokk.au around the same time, in which we are being accused of being Zionists and Nazis, and @Deceptichum@quokk.au has suggested to defederate quokk.au from us (archive).
If this censure by quokk.au is not withdrawn in a timely manner, we will defederate quokk.au from our side for these unsubstantiated and untrue accusations. quokk.au is a relatively small instance with only a few local users, which tried to build an alternative news community that is not on one of the “big” instances. Unfortunately, this community also seems to be a poor alternative if this is how their admin typically acts.
Fully justified rant.
As a USian, my perspective on EU nationalists is that they think the EU has the same Imperialist chops they used to, rather than being fully subservient to the US. The EU doesn’t have nearly the productive capacity of China, nor the massive financial and millitary Capital of the US Empire, so they piggyback off the US and think themselves more “enlightened” for not doing as much to keep the Empire they profit off of going.
They enjoy the spoils of Imperialism, and participate in it, but shift all of the blame on the US and act like they are innocent. The US is the Imperialist hegemon, correct, but the EU picked its role as vassal states of the Empire and acts like an alternative.
The good news is that as the US Empire continues to fall, so too will the EU, as its thoroughly dependent on the US. That stands to provide a genuine chance at change, the nationalism we see now is a desparate cling to Imperial “glory” as their role fades and China wins simply by focusing on real production.
Thanks for listening. ATP this is just screaming in the void lol, but its easy to be flustered by them tbh.
They might not be as powerful, but in my pov they are just as complicit. Any attempt to whitewash the EU, even compared to America under trump is doing a huge disservice to the exploited who are suffering in the global south, and the millions who were unjustly murdered for their imperialist fuckery. Most EU seem to actually recognize the US as bad now, but not for the right reasons.
They don’t recognize it as evil, because of their imperialist foreign policy; they see it as evil because because they finally got harmed by it. It’s completely hypocritical. These people will never admit themselves being complicit.
The good thing is, our good buddy JDPON don is actively destroying the empire lol. I feel bad for the american leftists/innocents who have to suffer because of him, though. At least, i hope he can just weaken the USs grip on the world. The EU? We’ll have to wait and pray for its downfall.
I’m not too well versed on the EU’s internal politics, but they’re seemingly doing well as of now, despite trying to distance themselves as far as possible from the US. I don’t wish for any normal person to be harmed, even if they live in the imperial core; but i think there’s no other option, at this point.
Let’s hope the EU fuck themselves over in a few decades. It’s the last revenge for what they did to the middle east.
As a USian Leftist, I am pleasantly surprised any time JDPON Don actually defunds a tool of Empire like USAID or does the tarriff nonsense, but we still have to combat the massive social reactionary policies and crackdown on marginalized groups. Same happens under the Dems, of course, but it’s more overt now.
As for the EU, they ultimately have to rely on either an industrial power like China, or a financial power like the US, as they don’t have either to the extent of either other nation. Right now they are pretty much signed up to follow whatever the US wants, so they can also take part in Imperialism, but that’s crumbling now. We will see, but I expect a dramatic shift within the next decade or so.
Seriously. The US gets most of its oil domestically or from South America and Canada. It was stealing oil from Iraq and Syria, but it wasn’t being sent to North America. It was being sent to Europe.
The US does all of Europe’s dirty work, then they pretend like they’re above it. Don’t get me started on how their continent is built on hundreds of years of colonialism, allowing for them to flourish while former colonies never recovered.
100%. It’s a different flavor of disgusting Imperialist apologia from US exceptionalism, world police nonsense.
The EU didnt pick to be a vassal, it was americans (and the british and french to an lesser extend) and installed post war european governments and prevented socialists from joining their countries towards the soviet block. Euros & Canadians arent that different from the whitey in america.
Yes and no, Europe conceded throughout the 20th century to USian dominance. They aren’t different, really, but they also lost to the US in terms of global hegemony. My point isn’t that Europeans aren’t bloodthirsty Imperialists, just that European liberals like to think of themselves as “enlightened” despite also being guilty.