• LangleyDominos [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    5 days ago

    I also tried Claude 4.1. It still complimented me for my big brain but its response seemed more like thinking. It asked me some follow-up questions to better give a response and, surprisingly, it asked about history. So at least Claude’s training has that kind of association of history with political economy and materialism. GPT 5 didn’t seem to get that part.

    The “Productive Network” Synthesis

    Instead of firms with employees, imagine autonomous productive nodes connected through dynamic contribution networks. Here’s how it might work:

    Core mechanism: Replace employment with temporary productive associations. Individuals or small groups maintain ownership of their tools/skills/knowledge and form task-specific collaborations. Think of it like open-source software development, but for all production.
    No permanent “firms” - just fluid networks of producers
    No wages - direct claims on collective output based on contribution metrics
    No employers - coordination through algorithmic matching and democratic protocols
    Surplus doesn’t get “extracted” because there’s no separate owner class to extract it

    Historical lesson: The Paris Commune’s workshop federations and Yugoslav self-management showed coordination without traditional hierarchy is possible, but lacked the technology for dynamic, real-time coordination we now have.

    The “Social Inheritance” Model

    This one’s more radical: What if productive capacity became a birthright commons?

    Core mechanism: All major productive assets are held in regional/municipal trusts. Individuals receive periodic allotments of productive capacity (like universal basic assets, not just income).
    People combine their allotments to undertake projects
    No employment needed - you directly command a share of society’s productive power
    Coordination happens through proposal systems and resource voting
    “Work” becomes voluntary contribution to expand the common pool

    Historical lesson: The kibbutzim and Mondragon show collective ownership can work, but they remained islands. This would need to be systemic from the start.

    The “Contribution Economy”

    Core mechanism: Replace employment with a contribution-tracking system where people directly register their productive activities and automatically receive proportional claims on social output.
    Blockchain or similar tech tracks contributions across society
    No firms needed - just projects that people join/leave freely
    Algorithms (democratically governed) determine relative contribution values
    Resources flow directly to contributors without passing through “employers”
    This isn’t just “gig economy” - there’s no platform owner extracting value. It’s peer-to-peer production with social coordination.

    Historical lesson: Soviet planning failed partly due to information problems. Modern computation and networking could enable decentralized planning that the USSR couldn’t achieve. \

    The “Hybrid Transition” Model (if complete transformation proves impossible)

    If we can’t fully eliminate surplus extraction immediately:
    Mandatory worker sovereignty: All firms above a certain size automatically convert to worker-controlled entities, but with a twist:
    Capital investment is allowed but capped at fixed returns (like Islamic banking)
    Workers control all decisions about surplus distribution
    “Employment” transforms into automatic stakeholdership
    Capital becomes a utility input, not a controlling force

    This differs from co-ops because it’s not voluntary - it’s the only legal form for scaled production.

    Critical Challenges for Any Synthesis

    Coordination at scale: How do complex supply chains work without firms?
    Innovation incentives: What drives technical progress without profit?
    Transition mechanics: How do we get there without catastrophic disruption?
    Global compatibility: How does this interface with different economic systems?

    Which of these directions resonates most with your thinking? Or do you see elements that could be combined differently?