US, EU, even China and India. Regardless where you are, the economy sucks, housing is not affordable, prices are high, jobs are stagnant and class mobility is nonexistent (except maybe in China).

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          That poster always has good takes with deep analysis and then someone responds “nuh uh”

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            That is 100% not true. XHS often takes credit for socialist achievements that they had no hand in creating, using that to belittle American leftists, and is subsequently a complete dunce when it comes to american domestic politics. They had paragraphs of justification on why voting for Biden is the best choice, while also believing that Biden was some Machiavellian mastermind, as opposed to a senile old man herded by staffers.

            Just because their takes are long and have some degree of justification and reasoning does not make them ‘deep’. XHS has only been right in so far as ‘nothing ever happens’, and as long as nothing continues to happen, they will continue to be correct. Are they correct for the right reason? Who knows! But if their reasoning for why China is doing what it is doing is the same quality as why Biden was doing what he was doing, then they are wildly and completely off base.

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              I wasn’t around during election season, so I can’t comment about the Biden thing in particular, though I do know my pain point with their analysis was of the American left, where I thought they were correct in a sense, but one that was somewhat myopic in nature and missed details that are easier to see on the ground here, as well as some things just aren’t said loudly via organizations’ public broadcasting.

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                They are good at reading books and articles particularly around international finance and then synthesizing that myriad information into a fairly cohesive whole.

                However, to be a bit lib about it, they are not actually in the room where it happens. Which becomes painfully clear when I read anything they talk about that deals directly with my personal organizing experience in the U.S., within and without the Democratic party. It’s my pretty typical criticism of most journalists.

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                Shipwreck had their awful election takes in their other alts. They would post these massive tl;dr screeds about how Biden was a brilliant mastermind in leveraging the power of USD as a financial weapon only to end the screed with “anyways, you should vote for Biden in 2024 because he’s better for trans people.”

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                  Biden was a brilliant mastermind in leveraging the power of USD as a financial weapon

                  That’s not what I said. I said that Biden’s big gamble with raising the interest rates had exposed the weakness of the American financial capitalist system and could lead to global de-dollarization. However, they correctly bet that China (the only large economy capable of challenging them) would not be willing to take up the challenger role, and as such the US got away with it.

                  This position still remains completely correct, for China has only continued to defend the “free trade” against America’s protectionism. Until China has shown a willingness to abandon its IMF export-led growth strategy and turn away from the neoliberal model, I remain correct.

                  There is a lot of misrepresentation of my arguments as though people who don’t like what I’m saying are unwilling to discuss something complex and nuanced.

                  “anyways, you should vote for Biden in 2024 because he’s better for trans people.”

                  Again, didn’t even bother to understand my arguments. I said that if the American left isn’t willing to fight it to the end, then a Biden/Harris presidency is objectively better for minorities. They need more time to organize and build their strength.

                  I remain vincidated: Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns

                  The American left has no answer to that, I guarantee you that.

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                    Having access to guns doesn’t help anyone without an organization to apply those guns. Ultimately we will, like pretty much every revolution before us, have to take the armories and rely on friendly local veterans to gain access to them. It doesn’t fundamentally matter one way or the other way. That is literally liberal thinking

                    You say you are taking lessons from them, but you simply aren’t. You are pretending that what they went through has some sort of bearing on what we are going through.

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                    That’s not what I said.

                    There is a lot of misrepresentation of my arguments as though people who don’t like what I’m saying are unwilling to discuss something complex and nuanced.

                    Again, didn’t even bother to understand my arguments.

                    Look, you can’t continuously burn through alts and get mad when people are going off of memory instead of using your past posts as a jumping point. At this point, I don’t remember all of your alts and I can’t search through your past posts (I believe you’ve deleted a lot of them anyways).

                    Having rando strangers misremember what you’ve posted is a small price to pay for opsec I guess.

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              Not them, but I think the world needs a big shock that affects everyone for something to happen.

              Neoliberalism was in part started (at the least massively helped) by Israel’s wars, I think it will play a role in whatever comes next, ie something happening.

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                We will see. The biggest thing that I am seeing is that we are going to get to a point in many countries where you will have a lack of elite reproduction (proletariazation), which will inevitably trigger a class crisis. Especially if they aren’t able to reproduce the liberal institutions that keeps the entire justification machine going.

                There are several things coming to a head. I just don’t know which of them, if any, will actually be the X-factor.

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              often takes credit for socialist achievements that they had no hand in creating

              I never took credit, I took the lessons.

              using that to belittle American leftists

              I did not belittle them, I pointed out their mistakes.

              They had paragraphs of justification on why voting for Biden is the best choice

              Shows that you didn’t even bother to understand my arguments. I said that if the American left is not willing to fight it to the end, it would be better to have a Biden/Harris Democrat for another 4 years while accumulating strength in between.

              Turns out I was right: Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns

              The American left has no answer to that.

              while also believing that Biden was some Machiavellian mastermind, as opposed to a senile old man herded by staffers.

              I have pointed out many times that Biden’s team made a huge gamble on raising the interest rates, which exposed the weakness of the American financial capitalist system. However, they correct bet that China - the only superpower that has the economy to challenge the dollar hegemony - would be unwilling to take on that task and challenge the global neoliberal free trade order.

              This stance remains to be correct, until China shows a willingness to abandon its IMF export-led growth strategy and turn domestic consumption. Again, shows that you didn’t even bother to understand the nuances of my arguments.

              With respect, I find many Americans like to see things in very black and white with little room for nuances. Maybe it’s the comic books, I don’t know.

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                And I explained to you, repeatedly, that the American Left does not gain strength under Biden or Harris, they are pacified. Again, you are pretending insight as if you are here, on the ground, as if the lessons you have learned didn’t come from second hand knowledge of other people’s accomplishments.

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              I mostly see Shipwreck as someone who doesn’t take their posting seriously. Their posting is actually pretty funny if you don’t take what they say that seriously. There’s that time when they asked whether China should nuke the US after getting nuked by the US. It’s not a serious question.

              Even them being wrong about the US all the time is a lot funnier if you imagine it’s an extended bit about how people here praise China despite never actually setting foot in China nor even personally knowing Chinese people. Perhaps Shipwreck is wrong about the US in the same exact way people here are wrong about China.

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                If that is the case, then they should be banned because it’s a tiresome bit. I doubt it is one though.

                I praise China, or more reasonably, give them the benefit of the doubt because the Chinese people I meet do like China, and in general I think their way of doing stuff makes more sense than whatever backwards ass way we do, even with their neoliberal brain worms. They at least take the idea of having companies compete in a market seriously.

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              I never said it was good. I said that China had to respond to Soviet aggression, or at least the perception of it. When you’re threatening China, you are playing with fire.

              Besides, are you going to deny the success of the Chinese model?

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                I never said it was good.

                You are quite literally going to justify the PRC doing that in the rest of your comment.
                It is a shame that you deleted your old comments despite, apparently, still sticking to the same beliefs. Now you get to say whatever is convenient for you about the claims you made then (unless relevant parts have been quoted).

                I said that China had to respond to Soviet aggression, or at least the perception of it.

                No, it didn’t have to respond to the Soviet ‘aggression’. Especially not by allying the most evil polity in the world in order to support the horrors of colonialism.
                This is extra silly considering that you said that the USSR and the PRC engaging in joint military preparations to oppose NATO was somehow an offense of the PRC by the USSR.

                Besides, are you going to deny the success of the Chinese model?

                If by ‘the Chinese model’ you mean the economic system of the PRC since the privatisation, then you have to contend with facts like the worse situation with workers’ rights and guarantees compared to how things work in planned economies, like the loss of guaranteed housing and guaranteed healthcare, as well as the PRC becoming dependent on colonial exploitation of the rest of the world by NATO.
                People love to point to the PRC advancing technologically at a faster rate than NATO, as well as to the bullshit ‘extreme poverty’ statistic that doesn’t actually convey anything of note, but fail to actually point to any benefits that workers get that compensate for the loss of housing and healthcare, and seem to think that the PRC wouldn’t have access to a large force of highly educated researchers without NATO’s investments.
                People also like to forget that, because of the PRC’s reliance on NATO and NATO’s exploitation of the rest of the world, its leadership is interested in maintaining the status quo, rather than in helping liberate the rest of the world (which the USSR did contribute to).

                If you meant the PRC allying with the most evil polity in the world, then the world is generally in a worse place than it was when the USSR existed - both because of the garbage states that arose on its corpse, and because there is now no such force that is willing to help anti-colonial liberation movements of the world, - and, considering that you seem to believe that the PRC had a significant contribution to the destruction of the USSR, you are saying that making the vast majority of the world worse was somehow good and successful.

                Like, one can argue that the PRC privitising its economy was somehow necessary (though, let’s be honest, it wasn’t at least until the USSR got Gorbachyov), but there isn’t a serious argument about the PRC allying NATO being necessary.