I don’t really understand why leftists have been so desperate to pin it on groypers tbh. Like non aligned or even leftist assassins exist? That should be expected, no?
It is expected. I said on this very site a few years ago that as things move closer and closer towards revolutionary conditions you are going to see adventurism happen and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. It will be by extreme leftists. It will be by non-aligned people pushed to the edged. It will be by completely inscrutable people. The conditions will produce it.
All the organised left can do is prepare around it. There is absolutely nothing we can do to control it nor the conditions that produce it. Best we can do is convince some anarchists that blowing up dams, bridges and power stations is a bad idea and didn’t work last time it was tried by anarchists in europe. We will have zero impact on the people that are not politically educated beyond a general sentiment of “billionaires are bad” and “fascists are evil” and we can not do anything to soften that sentiment whatsoever. They will take that sentiment and some of them will run with it to the conclusion of carrying out attacks, it is what it is and it’s going to happen more and more the worse conditions get.
Furthermore, if the fascists crack down hard on it they will cause even more of it. The only thing that would turn it around is changing the root material conditions with social policy concessions. Cracking down with violence will generate even worse conditions that generate even more revolutionary conditions and thus even more random acts of violence.
100% could not agree more. With the decline in material conditions in the West and lack of political education/socialist movement, high availability of guns, and saturation of the individualist mindset, adventurism from leftists and non aligned folks is inevitable. It’s honestly somewhat surprising there hasn’t been more of it.
Because fash-on-fash violence is a common enough thing. Because chuds instantly gravitated to blaming trans people along with other minorities. Because anything not tacitly proving that this was all the work of some rightoid gone haywire means that we as leftists, trans people, poor people, BIPOC, will be retaliated against with extreme prejudice. All the chuds want is an excuse to let the bullets fly.
They don’t need this as an excuse. The bullets have been flying. Obviously most people here don’t think adventurism is productive, but in general and especially at that age, vaguely lib or left-sympathetic people have much less theory than hexbears. I just don’t think it’s helpful to grasp at straws if there’s reasonable evidence. I wouldn’t describe Robinson as a leftist based on what I’ve seen but you don’t have to be one to be angry about fascists.
I believe unfortunately we are past that point. Helping arm ourselves and our comrades, learning gun safety, and getting range time should be a priority especially for the most vulnerable among us.
I don’t really understand why leftists have been so desperate to pin it on groypers tbh. Like non aligned or even leftist assassins exist? That should be expected, no?
It is expected. I said on this very site a few years ago that as things move closer and closer towards revolutionary conditions you are going to see adventurism happen and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. It will be by extreme leftists. It will be by non-aligned people pushed to the edged. It will be by completely inscrutable people. The conditions will produce it.
All the organised left can do is prepare around it. There is absolutely nothing we can do to control it nor the conditions that produce it. Best we can do is convince some anarchists that blowing up dams, bridges and power stations is a bad idea and didn’t work last time it was tried by anarchists in europe. We will have zero impact on the people that are not politically educated beyond a general sentiment of “billionaires are bad” and “fascists are evil” and we can not do anything to soften that sentiment whatsoever. They will take that sentiment and some of them will run with it to the conclusion of carrying out attacks, it is what it is and it’s going to happen more and more the worse conditions get.
Furthermore, if the fascists crack down hard on it they will cause even more of it. The only thing that would turn it around is changing the root material conditions with social policy concessions. Cracking down with violence will generate even worse conditions that generate even more revolutionary conditions and thus even more random acts of violence.
100% could not agree more. With the decline in material conditions in the West and lack of political education/socialist movement, high availability of guns, and saturation of the individualist mindset, adventurism from leftists and non aligned folks is inevitable. It’s honestly somewhat surprising there hasn’t been more of it.
tbh, regardless of what the feds think, the American left doesn’t have the radicalism for this.
I don’t think adventurism is particularly radical, and you don’t really need radicalism to shoot someone, even for political reasons
Because fash-on-fash violence is a common enough thing. Because chuds instantly gravitated to blaming trans people along with other minorities. Because anything not tacitly proving that this was all the work of some rightoid gone haywire means that we as leftists, trans people, poor people, BIPOC, will be retaliated against with extreme prejudice. All the chuds want is an excuse to let the bullets fly.
They don’t need this as an excuse. The bullets have been flying. Obviously most people here don’t think adventurism is productive, but in general and especially at that age, vaguely lib or left-sympathetic people have much less theory than hexbears. I just don’t think it’s helpful to grasp at straws if there’s reasonable evidence. I wouldn’t describe Robinson as a leftist based on what I’ve seen but you don’t have to be one to be angry about fascists.
I believe unfortunately we are past that point. Helping arm ourselves and our comrades, learning gun safety, and getting range time should be a priority especially for the most vulnerable among us.