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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 months ago

Lemmy libs: "But stalin baddd mkayyy"

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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 months ago
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  • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I made this in 2019 doggirl-happy

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      Your memes are the backbone of the online communist community at this point.

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        The ones I shared on r/ChapoTrapHouse in 2019, like this and the space race one, are by far the most proliferated. The reach of that sub explains why the feds had to shut it down.

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          Imagine a bunch of shitposters scaring the shit out of the feds. This year they have already nuked 3 more communist subreddits.

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      Thank you for your service

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      Thank you for your service comrade

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      I saw it reposted all over. Thank you for your service 🫡

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    Inb4 “tWo ThInGs CaN bE bad At OnCe” from someone comparing something real the empire is doing with a story that same empire told them about someone else.

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    This meme is old. Now it’s 25%

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      PROGRESS

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      stops at berlin
      “I think they learned their lesson…”

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        Fair

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    Funny that this is the exact same “logic” the libs use to try to defend running a pro-zionist, pro-corporate, pro-billionaire slimeball in the last US presidential election - “But Trump was worse!”

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      It’s not just a matter of the US being worse, this undermines the credibility of every single accusation regarding human rights that the US makes about any other country

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      Stalin wasn’t a saint, but he is overly demonized as compared to his peers. There has been a century of anticommunist mud-slinging at him, and now that the soviet archives are somewhat open, we can begin to actually judge him properly. Unlike Trump, Stalin was the leader of the world’s first socialist state, and a good portion of soviet success in their earlier years can be attributed to policies he pushed for.

      Demystifying Stalin

      I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.

      • J. V. Stalin
      1. Nia Frome’s “Tankies”

      [8 min]

      1. W. E. B Dubois’ On Stalin

      [6 min]

      1. Domenico Losurdo’s Primitive Thinking and Stalin as Scapegoat

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      1. Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin and Stalinism in History

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      1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by H. G. Wells

      [42 min]

      1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by Emil Ludwig

      [38 min]

      1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by Roy Howard

      [9 min]

      1. Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend

      [5 hr 51 min]

      1. Ludo Martens’ Another View of Stalin

      [5 hr 25 min]

      1. Anna Louise Strong’s This Soviet World

      Stalin's Major Theoretical Contributions to Marxism

      I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn’t read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I’m not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good.

      • Che Guevara
      1. Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR

      2. Dialectical and Historical Materialism

      3. History of the CPSU (B)

      4. The Foundations of Leninism

      5. Marxism and the National Question

      • zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        because of daddy Stalin

        😂😂😂😂 Che was a mood

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          Yea lol. I’m told it’s much more friendly and less sexual in the original spanish, more a quirk of translation, haha.

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        Stalin was the leader of the world’s first socialist state

        Socialist state is a contradiction in terms.

        Stalin was CEO of USSR Incorporated.

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          Socialism can have a state, a contradiction in terms would be a communist state or an anarchist state. Socialism is simply a mode of production by which public, collectivized production is the principle aspect of the economy. The USSR was not a business, nor were the “profits” distributed to public officials, that just wasn’t how the soviet economy functioned.

        • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]@lemmy.ml
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          deleted by creator

        • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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          i wonder how your instance turned into a nazi bar

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            It didn’t. And I’m an anarchist.

            If you’re going to rely on ad hominems, you should at least try to make them somewhat accurate and relevant.

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              You have the fucking nerve to say that after calling the USSR a corporation. You’re not even a radlib; you’re a Christopher Hitchens neocon.

              And yes your instance is a nazi bar. You just recently had to be shamed into banning one of your mods ADVOCATING for the holocaust.

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                Um… no. I’m an anarchist.

                And you sound like a helicopter parent who’s balanced on that fine line between hysterical tears and explosive rage because somebody at the playground said something mean about their darling USSR.

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                  Yeah well you’re also this bad thing with a tediously long unfunny description

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    This is disrespectful to common sense.

    The number of people KILLED in the mentioned Gulags is in the millions. The total number of killed by the regime is estimated as ~~20 million people. The number of people imprisoned in the US is just a bit north of a million.

    Having a mass murderer on a picture and trying to picture it as “wasn’t as bad as the US now” is distasteful. Have self-respect, spend effort and verify the numbers. Think critically about the picture you’re thinking to upvote.

    P.S. I’m not a US citizen or resident. In terms of freedoms, both the Soviet Union was terrible, and a lot of the events happening in the US right now are terrible.

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      Have self-respect, spend effort and verify the numbers

      Historical review of the work of other historians in their guesstimations of the deaths in the Soviet penal system vs what the Soviet internal archives actually said when revealed post 1991 https://hexbear.net/post/136521?scrollToComments=false

      Primary source on Soviet prisons from an american journalist and american penal system expert who actually went to them them in person https://hexbear.net/post/201947?scrollToComments=false

      • ∞ 🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, ze/hir, des/pair, none/use name, undecided]@hexbear.net
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        The latter paragraph is about This Soviet World and Russian Justice, I thought I’d add links to the full books if anyone is interested.

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          headpat

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    As a Hungarian, No thanks, we don’t want russian soldiers again in our country. Can’t we agree on socialism without involving Russia?

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      If Russia became socialist again, genuinely what remains to be the problem?

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        it would defend itself if hungary decided to invade it again, and that’s just mean

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        The other traits and our autonomy.

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          What “other traits?” If you’re not going to clarify, it just sounds like racism.

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            Mostly dictatorship. I have no problems with russian people.

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              The RSFSR wasn’t a dictatorship, though, and there’s no reason to think they would be if Russia returned to socialism. Your comment just reads that Russians have a natural, inherent tendency towards dictatorships outside of connection to the mode of production they are in, which is why it sounds racist.

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          our autonomy to gleefully assist in the holocaust? their strange trait of making us stop gleefully assisting in the holocaust? you’re gonna have to be less cryptic here.

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            I was talking about a hypothetical scenario in which Russia became socialist again. I could use our autonomy for useful things.

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              oh sure, we could, but does it look like we’re going to any day soon?

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        Russia cannot become socialist again because it never was socialist. It’s official regime was “communism”, but there was very little socialist about it in the way Europe is doing it now.

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          Public ownership was the principle aspect of the soviet economy, and the working class was in power. It was absolutely socialist, and they never claimed to reach communism. They were governed by a communist party, but were socialist. Nowhere in Europe is socialist right now, private property is the principle aspect of all European economies, with the partial exception of Belarus.

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      we only got russians in our country the last time because we decided to be disgusting genocidal fascists and the soviets attempted to reeducate us. alas, it didnt stick.

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      Okay, but how does this relate to the meme about prison population?

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        It’s the post description

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      Preventing Hungary from participating in colonialism, including by invading Iraq and Afghanistan, is not some sort of oppression that you try to imply it to be.

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    Frankly not a tankie or a capitalist, but I’m pretty sure Stalin was shitty for other reasons. Admirable reasons at time as in the case of being a cold-mother fucker enough to gank his own son for the revolution. But reasons, surely.

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      Stalin wasn’t a perfect saint nor a horrendous monster. Stalin was a real socialist, with personal failings and mistakes, but also real victories and advancements as the leader of the first socialist state in its most turbulent era.

      Demystifying Stalin

      I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.

      • J. V. Stalin
      1. Nia Frome’s “Tankies”

      [8 min]

      1. W. E. B Dubois’ On Stalin

      [6 min]

      1. Domenico Losurdo’s Primitive Thinking and Stalin as Scapegoat

      [30 min]

      1. Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin and Stalinism in History

      [16 min]

      1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by H. G. Wells

      [42 min]

      1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by Emil Ludwig

      [38 min]

      1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by Roy Howard

      [9 min]

      1. Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend

      [5 hr 51 min]

      1. Ludo Martens’ Another View of Stalin

      [5 hr 25 min]

      1. Anna Louise Strong’s This Soviet World

      Stalin's Major Theoretical Contributions to Marxism

      I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn’t read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I’m not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good.

      • Che Guevara
      1. Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR

      2. Dialectical and Historical Materialism

      3. History of the CPSU (B)

      4. The Foundations of Leninism

      5. Marxism and the National Question

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        Che, please don’t call him that.

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          Yea it’s a bit iffy, lol.

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            I swear it don’t sound as bad in Spanish lmao, “papi” can even be something you call a friend

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              Oh, gotcha! Makes sense, my spanish is super rusty and I didn’t think about the different context it would have in spanish.

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        Agreed, and to clarify, I’m pretty much a socialist, just think co-operatives oughta be allowed to hold similar assets to a state, (within the laws of a state in question) ideally subsidiary to the state’s own collectivized system. The cold bit about Stalin was crediting the fellow with having more idealogical depth than the simple “funny gulag man” many paint him as.

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          Many socialist states do have cooperative sectors, the PRC has a pretty big cooperative sector, as did the USSR. At higher levels of development they become less useful, though, as production outscales simple cooperative formations. As for Stalin, again, he’s not as bad as the Red Scare painted him as.

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            True, why I count myself among y’all, I just quibble over the details frankly. Bad habit of mine. The results themselves overall in terms of quality of life speak volumes over the reduction in quality of life under capitalist systems generally. Even with failures like Mao’s famines.

            Frankly the socialist states are generally more friendly to cooperatives over corporations. But again I call myself a social corporatist and folks usually imagine I’m arguing in favor of a techno-libertarian corporate congress. Pardon me for the lack of outright clarity.

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              Not to sound rude, but have you read much Marxist theory? There’s good reason why we generally see cooperatives as only really useful in certain levels of development and certain industries for a certain period of time, and not as the basis of production.

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                True, and yes unfortunately on Marxist theory and commentary. Part of why I’m a disillusioned corporatist if I still count as one and not an outright socialist. What can I say, Marx makes good arguments for economies of scale.

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                  Any reason you still hold to corporatism?

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      Stalin’s government tremendously improved the living standards of people in its territory, and compares favourably to almost all (if not all) European leaderships of 20th and 21st centuries (including European settler-colonies, but those are even more obviously awful). I’d say that he wasn’t ‘shitty’.

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        The “shitty” I’d quantify as the sometimes downright underhanded defense of the ideology of the party of his age, more than any direct moral failings on his part. Or a commentary on the necessary rules of engagement for revolt in Russia traditionally suck for the revolutionaries and those who follow them and attempt to safeguard their philosophical ideals.

        Granted, you’re right, came in joking a little hot and heavy and I could have explained my punchlines better

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