Idk what is most surprising here:
- he hasn’t gotten it covered (apparently had since 2006)
- this made it through the pod save edit to be shown on their video
- pod save had him on
Wonder what the excuses will be this time on why it’s okay he’s still in the race as if he wins probably will be another fetterman.
Or maybe I’m so conspiracy brained I wonder if this is a way to make the ancient governor running look like the best candidate
No. They should not be “judged where they are now” on a pragmatic political level. Our representatives should be unimpeachable with a long history of doing what’s right and being correct and principled. We have a large enough pool of people to draw from, nobody has a “right” to some type of atonement of their sins and re-appraisal. If some bloodsoaked warmonger wants forgiveness, he can ask it of his victims, and he can become a rank-and-file.
There’s a difference between a soldier who has proved their merit and allegiance to the revolution, and grifters trying to gain personal political power on the backs of leftists.
What’s key here though is I really don’t think ANYONE who we should take seriously or consider a comrade is saying Platner is a “leader” of the left. I believe most hexbears who are positive about Mamdani (or Platner before all this), myself included, see these people as weather vanes. They show there is definitely potential for the working class in the US to congeal into a class for itself. They show that people think the status quo is fucked and they want something better. But our class consciousness is so fucked and we have such a long row to hoe, it’s not unreasonable to point to political reps that might do things that the working class wants (even if they are only doing it for opportunistic reasons) and leverage that into more class consciousness.
Elected representatives are leaders. Just one more social fascist with a nazi tattoo bro, just one more - electoralist addicts coping
They are leaders in a definitional sense, not in a leader that we are upholding as our leader.
You are seeking out the least charitable possible explanation in this entire thread, including calling me a Nazi / social fascist elsewhere.
ah so… leaders?
You want guys like this to win and for America to become more like this guy? We could have one billion mamdanicans and we’d still be a social fascist shithole. This is a flawed conception of how to do politics
You literally deleted your comment in shame where you said that “hexbear is getting too leftcom for me” because we were purity testing over nazism.
I deleted it before you commented because I felt it wasn’t useful to the discussion, then undeleted it when I saw you commented because I’m not a jerk.
Let me guess, this doesn’t apply to criminals who have killed, assaulted, or stolen from working class people?
You still haven’t answered my question, Mr. Allende: what’s your theory do revolution as it regards military struggle, and where to you intend to find people with the knowledge and experience to train a revolutionary military force if not from the militar?
Actually, it’s hilarious that you are making this argument less than 24 hours after defending Napoleon as a progressive when others pointed out he was a colonial imperialist who reinstated slavery.
Correct, these criminals should not be put into leadership positions of the revolution or the working class party.
Oh, I see, so if they had previously engaged in protection rackets or organizied and conducted bank robberies where regular people were killed intentionally or in the crossfire, that would be proof they shouldn’t be leaders?
Napoleon gets a pass through for colonialism and reinstituting slavery in the third world, though, huh? He’s a progressive in your mind since he at least smashed the feudal system in Europe?
i wouldn’t vote for napoleon or put him in charge of anything lmaoo
Crimes against the state are not crimes against the proletariat
Protection rackets and innocent people dying in the crossfire of your crimes aren’t crimes against the proletariat?
No you’d just call Napoleon a progressive icon lmao
i was literally paraphrasing the The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte in those comments. You got an issue with the argument, take it up with the big man
No, you were defending Napoleon as “progressive relative to his era” when he was doing the same thing you are mad at Platner for doing, only on a much grander scale, and then getting upset when people correctly said he is a fascist icon:
https://hexbear.net/comment/6603402
There have been so many critiques from third world marxists of Marx’s orientalism, but hey, he could overlook Napoleon’s crimes in Africa and the New World since he freed the whites from monarchism, so I guess I should too!
I think you’re having a difficult time parsing what Marxists mean when they use “progressive” as in world-historically progressive, as in, develops us from Feudalism into Capitalism. You’re deliberately misunderstanding Marx’s point here to get a “gotcha” on me because you want to suck off the troops.
I wouldn’t put ancient-brained napoleon into any leadership position in a modern leftist movement, so you’re just shadowboxing here.