If you say you want apples you have to accept the continued existence of apple trees. If you want a peaceful life for Palestinians you support Hamas who are the embodiment of the resistance to zionist violence.
Nobody with two braincells to rub together thinks that Palestine can coexist with the expansionist racial supremacists zionist state, or that the expansionist racial supremacists zionists will just cease to be without a fight. So in order for a person to think that Palestinians can live in peace without the armed resistance who Hamas are the largest group they have to be irrational or just dumber than shit.
Until settler colonialism dies, this will continue, not as some cruel threat by a crazy terrorist organization, but as revolutionaries understanding full well that the alternative is rolling over and dying. We cannot withhold support because of methods, though we may attempt to persuade in other directions, we are not those who decide how resistance to genocide occurs, we merely control ourselves. If the world wishes for no October 7ths to happen, fight with every fiber of your being against settler colonialism and the imperialist scourge!
During WWII and the holocaust if one said they are for only for peaceful protest against the Nazis or one said they are against the resistance fighters or soldiers fighting the Nazis what would that effectively mean for those in the concentration camps?
During decades of ethnic cleansing including where children have been captured, tortured and killed; where non violent protestors have been been repeatedly shot and killed, kidnapped and tortured to death; where journalists have been tortured and killed; where there have ongoing blockades to starve and murder people; where israel regularly “mows the lawn”; where medics have been routinely killed; where the Gaza strip has been a test bed for weapons sold at arms fairs; where the largest organ trafficking per capita against the palestenians is ongoing; where palestinians have been reguarly sexually tortured and abused; where the homes and livelihoods have been regularly razed for settlers; and THEN followed by the last few years by a genocide what does it mean to be against the palestinian resistance fighters?
What does it mean to believe what the West and Israelis say about said resistance fighters fighting a genocide where the West and Israelis are active perpetrators? What does such lack of support effectively mean for palestinians?
It means effectively supporting their death.
There is a reason why the west lionises the likes of Gandhi and MLK and strips them of any real radicalism (especially the latter) and forgets their context in history - their “non-violence” had leverage because of the alternatives of “violence” the oppressors faced from their contemporaries lead by Baghat Singh/Fred Hampton/Malcolm X etc to name the most famous of them.
In liberalism often the violence of the oppressor is normalised and the resistance to that is considered exceptional; one has to reflect why that racism should ever be consider acceptable if one wants to consider consider the oppressed as fully human.
In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. - Kwame Ture
We are marxists. A lot of used us to be liberals. I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant chunk of us used to think like you. Marxism is a science. Consider reading around on the science of liberation struggle. Ask any question you like.
Shhhh! No no no no no! You can’t compare the State of Israel to Nazi Germany, you’ll get on the Canary Mission for that!
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That same mentality would mean you wouldn’t have supported the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
Interesting how all these “non-violent” types think the oppressed resisting their oppressors is actually just as bad and condemnable as the oppressors mutilating, bombing, starving, displacing, for the past 80 years.
the passive resistance people always ignore that throughout history there was always a violent resistance waiting in the wings for if the pacifist shit didn’t work, which was most of the time
I do not think that supporting Palestinians being allowed to live in peace in their homes means someone supports HAMAS.
Sort seems like that is the implication from the question, though.
If you say you want apples you have to accept the continued existence of apple trees. If you want a peaceful life for Palestinians you support Hamas who are the embodiment of the resistance to zionist violence.
Nobody with two braincells to rub together thinks that Palestine can coexist with the expansionist racial supremacists zionist state, or that the expansionist racial supremacists zionists will just cease to be without a fight. So in order for a person to think that Palestinians can live in peace without the armed resistance who Hamas are the largest group they have to be irrational or just dumber than shit.
Until settler colonialism dies, this will continue, not as some cruel threat by a crazy terrorist organization, but as revolutionaries understanding full well that the alternative is rolling over and dying. We cannot withhold support because of methods, though we may attempt to persuade in other directions, we are not those who decide how resistance to genocide occurs, we merely control ourselves. If the world wishes for no October 7ths to happen, fight with every fiber of your being against settler colonialism and the imperialist scourge!
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During WWII and the holocaust if one said they are for only for peaceful protest against the Nazis or one said they are against the resistance fighters or soldiers fighting the Nazis what would that effectively mean for those in the concentration camps?
During decades of ethnic cleansing including where children have been captured, tortured and killed; where non violent protestors have been been repeatedly shot and killed, kidnapped and tortured to death; where journalists have been tortured and killed; where there have ongoing blockades to starve and murder people; where israel regularly “mows the lawn”; where medics have been routinely killed; where the Gaza strip has been a test bed for weapons sold at arms fairs; where the largest organ trafficking per capita against the palestenians is ongoing; where palestinians have been reguarly sexually tortured and abused; where the homes and livelihoods have been regularly razed for settlers; and THEN followed by the last few years by a genocide what does it mean to be against the palestinian resistance fighters?
What does it mean to believe what the West and Israelis say about said resistance fighters fighting a genocide where the West and Israelis are active perpetrators? What does such lack of support effectively mean for palestinians?
It means effectively supporting their death.
There is a reason why the west lionises the likes of Gandhi and MLK and strips them of any real radicalism (especially the latter) and forgets their context in history - their “non-violence” had leverage because of the alternatives of “violence” the oppressors faced from their contemporaries lead by Baghat Singh/Fred Hampton/Malcolm X etc to name the most famous of them.
In liberalism often the violence of the oppressor is normalised and the resistance to that is considered exceptional; one has to reflect why that racism should ever be consider acceptable if one wants to consider consider the oppressed as fully human.
In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. - Kwame Ture
We are marxists. A lot of used us to be liberals. I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant chunk of us used to think like you. Marxism is a science. Consider reading around on the science of liberation struggle. Ask any question you like.
Shhhh! No no no no no! You can’t compare the State of Israel to Nazi Germany, you’ll get on the Canary Mission for that!
Ahhhhh… there, now it isn’t antisemitic anymore.
Hamas is just the name of the Palestinian government.
That same mentality would mean you wouldn’t have supported the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
Interesting how all these “non-violent” types think the oppressed resisting their oppressors is actually just as bad and condemnable as the oppressors mutilating, bombing, starving, displacing, for the past 80 years.
the passive resistance people always ignore that throughout history there was always a violent resistance waiting in the wings for if the pacifist shit didn’t work, which was most of the time
You can disagree with Hamas on ideological grounds as much as you like but if you support the Palestinian Resistance that means supporting Hamas.