Multiple European states, including the UK and France, have recently threatened sanctions against specific Israeli ministers and Spain has even suggested an arms embargo against Israel.
I believe most of these nations see Israel as an extension of the US and have long considered the US to be the benevolent overlord of Europe. Are they now doubting the reliability or benevolence of their overlord because of how volatile Trump is? I think it’s fair to say the genocide would’ve progressed in the exact same way if Harris was president but would Europe have reacted the same way?
I guess I’m just asking for people’s opinions here because it’s hard to know what goes on in the minds of the demons that run Europe.
The USA, Europe, isn’treal, and their running dogs (the rulers of Arab states, except Yemen) are all one entity. These disagreements are just for show.
they have yet to do dick.
also, pisrael never made sense to them as colonial outpost, they are on the receiving end of petrodollar, not guiding one. now they have shiny azerbaijan/saudi/uae compradors, who funnel money into eu of “their own volition”, in comparison to isntreal who doesn’t do dick for them.
Europe hasn’t done anything, that’s true, but you’re also saying it makes no sense for Europe to support the colonization of Palestine in the first place? Why do they support it, then? Is it simply racism?
it doesn’t make sense after iraq (if we talk strict state interests), middle east (as in oil producers) is completely cowed, and has been investing in europe (paying tribute) for decades. that’s skipping how usa fuckery causes migrants inflows (allegedly a problem for europe).
inertia and racism, yeah.
And don’t forget about the guilt pride!
guilt pride is just the PR - the superstructure - sold by the elite to justify their material interests. Its not the motivating factor.
No, I will heavily dispute the simplification into just racism. The us used west german’s nazi elite to launder their reputation through israel to sell the PR of “(west) germany learned from its past” to the rest of their european allies. Both the UK & France invaded, in tandem with the Zionist, egypt and used israhell to further their sphere of influence in the region. It’s also a very big export market for european arms industry and training grounds for the pigs worldwide. The archbishop of cologne and even certain kinds of media outlets (axel-springer verlag) are landlords in occupied palestine.
Its both an extra market as well as a method to buy the goodwill of the americans. Thats why europeans support israel. Europeans could do without israel, in fact the evangelical Zionist movement (outside germany) is barely existent in the rest of europe and so the bar is lower than in america.
I think they just want “plausible” deniability for the entity’s next planned/declared steps because the entity’s internal racist genocidal discourse is becoming increasingly external. It’s not like Europe is actually reversing course on “Israel” in any meaningful way.
Sadly. While they talk this talk they continue to provide zionists with material support.
Until they actually do something, all this stance of being “tough on Israel” is just empty talk to placate their populations.
When asking if Europeans will go with racism or their disgust at Trump’s crassness…
They will always choose racism; Trump is an annoyance with an expiration date, while the genocide for powerful Euros is a form of self-actualization and reaffirmation of their deeply held beliefs
I’m not sure Europe is confident in Trump’s expiration date anymore. They were probably more confident during his first term but with the dems moving right in an attempt to catch up to Trump, they must know the next guy is gonna be more of the same. I also don’t think they give a fuck about his crassness, I think they’re worried about how to sell an American overlord that demands overt submission. Europeans have always considered themselves superior to the rest of the world but I don’t think they mind an American overlord as long as they can pretend they’re peers. Biden undermined Europe while smiling and shaking hands while Trump tells Europeans to eat shit.
Trump will die and then what? They’ll side with USA again. Now even pope is American, lol.
Fuck no.
Just like the thinly performative media turn or the letters by suddenly concerned cultural figures, they’re just getting their flimsy (im)plausible deniability in as the final solution that they worked so hard to make happen begins.
Even as they pretend to distance themselves from Israel they continue to enable the final stages of its genocide.
Take the UK… We’re still giving the Israeli state direct access and influence over police & legal operations against protestors and pro-Palestinian journalists. We’re still charging bands and writers and journalists with terror offenses for speaking out against Israel. It took just weeks for their story of an already pathetically small number of arms export lisences being revoked to fall apart and be revealed that we were just breaking our own rules. Earlier this week the government said we were suspending talks on a new trade deal with Israel, but have now quietly sent a trade envoy there to do it anyway. We’re still running spy and surveillance flights for the Israelis, against Palestinians. We still have SAS covertly and possibly sheep-dipped there. The government still won’t acknowledge any even parliamentary questions about our military role in the ‘conflict’, never mind the openly genocidal aspects of it. We’re still not working with the ICC or ICJ or enforcing warrants or restricting travel.
No. I dont think Harris or Trump would have even made that much of a difference in the european states reaction. The ICJ ruling and european states wanting to use “international-based rules order” as an excuse to whine at russia, is faaaar more important than “the cheeto in the white house”. Trump being president just makes israel more unpopular and people/politicans having an easier time speaking out against the us/israel.
European states stand and fall on the whims of the us, just like israel.
