Yeah imagine NATO aligned military bases near China… wouldn’t want that to happen.
Seriously, what a dork, standing behind Americas shoulder making demands from the safety of his fickle allies protection - does he think China should be worried about the potential presence of French military assets? Obviously not - it’s American military might China has to contend with and the Americans are already there.
Thinking that the presence of French Belgian, German or Australian troops in south east asia in any way affects the balance of power is delusional at best.
This threat completely undermines the western claim that nato expansionism should not have threatened russia into the ukraine war.
You can not claim that nato is a benign and peaceful defensive alliance while simultaneously saying that others should be threatened by its expansion.
I don’t think the west gives a single fuck about being hypocritical.
I’m not saying they do give a fuck. I’m saying that next time you get into an argument about nato expansionism you should use it in persuading people towards the position nato is used as an aggressive organisation and threatens others. It is clear and undeniable here.
The whole defense shtick is only for domestic liberals and fascists living in potential vassal states. NATO has waged war against humanity for the past 80 years, nobody in their right mind actually believes in that stuff.
nobody in their right mind actually believes in that stuff
The vast majority of average people in the west sincerely believe it and need to be persuaded otherwise.
in their right mind
Yeah ok fair comment. I’m sure Libs will still find some way to contort themselves into believing the exact same thing though.
Libs, like chuds, don’t care either. They’ll just claim you’re being a SeeSeePee shill
how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
Defensive alliance moment.
North Atlantic Treaty Organisation
Mr. Macron, please name an Asian country other than Russia which has shoreline on the Atlantic Ocean.
That hasn’t been a prerequisite for a long time, countries without an Atlantic coastline might outnumber those with one in NATO at this point
Sure, but those countries are surrounded by countries that do have Atlantic coastline and/or sea access to the Atlantic. They’re all within the geographical region identified by Article 6.Notably Hawaii, located in Oceania and south of the Tropic of Cancer, isn’t part of NATO’s collective defense commitment. There are in fact zero nations in Asia that meet the requirements for NATO membership.
They have been trying for a while to built a Pacific Treaty Organization and failing because no one want to be in conflict with china for no reason
SEATO was a total flop, largely based around trying to prevent neocolonies from becoming independent. Unsurprisingly, nobody wanted to play ball so the French and Americans just took their ball and ran home to prevent further collapse of the paper tiger after Vietnam kicked their shit in.
Every later attempt has basically just been some random chud senator who didn’t read a briefing on it going, “gee why don’t we have a Pacific NATO,” without reading about the Pacific NATO we already had at home.
I thought NATO wasn’t expanding and even if it was it’s not really a threat because it’s defensive and even if it was it’s not the West expanding it’s the free will of the nations that are applying for membership.
Macron really has a habit of making this big circus full of clowns and wild statements to the international world so nobody will see what an absolute pathetic mess his presidency is. Joke of a country
When you’ve got Russia under sanction, the UK has left the EU, and America is going wildcard mode on tariffs, is this really the time to be alienating China over something that a different country is doing?
I’ve said this before: these countries aren’t stupid. They know exactly what they’re doing.
Trump’s tariffs against China is curbing exports to the US, and unlike in 2008, China’s property market bursting means that it can no longer turn to massive infrastructure investment to drive economic growth like it used to, and the Internal Circulation strategy that was supposed to promote domestic consumption has ended with a whimper. The post-Covid consumption spending did not happen, and we’re actually getting deflation, which is even worse than inflation.
France knows this. It knows that China is now more dependent on export than ever before, because the surplus export goods have to go somewhere that is not America. The EU will be forced to absorb them, and France also knows that if they just let China dump all their cheap goods inside the EU, it will also be the end of their domestic industries.
With Europe in austerity since Nord Stream bombing, France has even more incentive to take maximum advantage of China’s current predicament.
These countries know exactly what they’re doing. They are all calculating to position themselves as the winners of Trump’s global tariffs.
Instead of forging a new alternative to neoliberalism, both Europe and China have chosen to become the true defender of global free trade, claiming that it is the US (Trump) that has violated the mythical sanctity of free trade agreement. And so, a mercantilistic fight it is.
And while trying to screw one another up, they also secretly hope to get a good deal from Trump behind each other’s back so they can be the winner of the race. This is the true goal of Trump’s global tariffs - to unleash a dirty mercantilist war while it hides itself behind tariffs so as to reap the harvest from the fallout, with the ultimate aim of controlling and reshaping the global supply chain to the interest of the declining empire. It was never about re-industrializing America.
All the “haha European leaders are so stupid, they’re just vassals of the US” takes that we often see on online anti-imperialist spaces aren’t grounded in material reality, as if building Nord Stream itself wasn’t an act of defiance to assert their energy independence from the US. They are only “stupid” in the sense that they are guided by the ideological indoctrination of neoliberalism. Once you understand this, Europe’s and China’s actions will make sense.
No one is secretly hoping to get a good deal from Trump. Everyone expects Trump to leave office at the end of his term and the precedent has now been set that the USA cannot be trusted to stand by any deals. Everyone is having to do the math of what to do about America’s military because its economy is becoming less and less relevant by the month. When the only thing stopping economic disruption is tradition, and you actively destroy the tradition of stability, no one gets to make long term plans that involve economically stable relationships.
The US makes almost nothing. The vast majority of its GDP is artificially created markets involving intellectual property, military arms, insurance, finance, and the massive service industries that have been built around these industries and around navigating US government bureaucracy. There are only a handful of reasons why anyone cares about the USA:
- Violence. This is the biggest one that everyone needs to manage.
- Finance. Everyone’s neoliberal system depends on the US and UK financial system. As long as they are coupled to it via dollar-denominated securities and instruments, the US is capable of crashing anyone’s economy.
- Consumption. The US consumer market gives people places to sell their shit and make money.
- Oil. The US has an outsized influence on oil and has the ability to ruin most economies through that influence.
Speed run these 4.
Number 1 - I claim this is the only thing the US has keeping its hegemony relevant at every single turn. The rest can all be obviated.
Number 2 - this one is the one that Europe is fucked by. They can’t fix this without aligning with BRICS and specifically China and Russia. That’s because China and Russia are aware that the 3 pillars of their national liberation are military security against the US, domestic production with strong trading partners, and the ability to decouple from the US dollar. They are actively navigating the process of decoupling from the dollar and Europe will have to join them or be completely dominated by US financial institutions.
Number 3 - the US consumer market is utterly collapsing and has been for decades. The contradiction is very far advanced at this point, with average Americans putting medical costs on 17% interest credit cards. For decades the only reason the US remained a strong consumer market was because of the unfettering of debt and usury domestically. This is running its course. There is no real consumer economy that isn’t 100% predicated on debt, and there is no debt that isn’t 100% predicated on the dominance of US finance capital globally, and there is no globally dominant US finance capital without violence.
Number 4 - Europe is fucked. Their internal contradictions have reached their end stage. The only way they could continue their existence this long was through colonialism, and when the USA took over colonialism from European powers, it found that a distinct form of neocolonialism could be turned against them through finance capital and dollar hegemony. This form of neocolonialism didn’t extract from European land, that was alread exhausted before the US rose to power. Instead, this form of neocolonialism was an extraction from the people. NATO is a tribute system to the US. Greece’s dismemberment by German financiers was an echo of what US finance capital has been doing to the 3rd world for a century. The EU is trapped by its own unsustainable social relations and decoupling from the USA means social collapse into chaos and civil war between socialism and barbarism, a war that the US will enter on the side of barbarism. All the US has to do is cut off their supply of energy, and they already did a doozie with Nord Stream 2.
It all comes down to material violence, realpolitik not ideology. It’s not because everyone’s a neoliberal that they’re acting like this. They’re acting like neoliberals because the material conditions are requiring this behavior. For the European leaders, abandoning neoliberalism will result in dramatic violence and social collapse. For China, abandoning neoliberalism will accelerate the West’s movement to world war.
You’ve got base and superstructure inverted.
The fact that america blew up nordstream 2 essentially setting the largest manufacturing power on the euro continent (which is also full of us military bases and flooded with think tank selected politicians and propaganda) into its death rows AND essentially got even the government to further sanction one of its largest trading partners as a response to an us planned terror attack —- is proof enough that european states are vassals. Being a vassal state doesn’t mean there are no lack of ambitions or chaffing against the us, in fact that france wants to be the winner of trump tariffs and not go against the us, only further highlights the vassal status.
Is this bruh thinking he’s Napoleon Bonaparte?
Jovian Presidency
petit Jupiter
Lol. Seeing the westoids impotently try and assert power they no longer have is amazing.
Today I Learned: North Korea is in China according to the French
Is he delulu? I thought his whole shtick was yapping about neo-gaullist independence from the usa?
Macron says lots of things. Dont take him seriously.Most coherent western politician?
Why ask China to keep Korea out of Ukraine? Does he not realise that they are their own country? Does he think China controls, the DPRK, Russia, and Ukraine? That’s so strange.
Anyway, I’m ready to receive the DongFeng-41 already, so keep going mister president.
It’s projection as always. French are vassals of the US, and they think DPRK are vassals of China.
Meanwhile China “We love trading with France, we love France, in fact we’ll build a transcontinental highway to France, did we mention we love trading with France…oh sure you can have Africa even tho you’re losing it to US influence”
The ramblings of a lunatic.
