• anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 days ago

    But have you considered that a system that leads to fascism is still better than actually manifested fascism?? And yea, maybe we should fix it before it gets there, but if it can’t be fixed with voting now then we should have voted harder before, and vote harder next time

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    Participating in democracy doesn’t lead to fascism, capitalism does. Protest non-voters are idiots that gave away the one best power our system offers. Congratulations on your new fascist overlords, dummies. Anarchism is about power to the people and power to communities, you vote for the best thing for your community regardless of your personal feelings. Do I wish there was a better candidate than Kamala Harris? Hell yeah I do, but she is lightyears better than Trump for my people so she got my vote. You have to start where you are, not in some fantasy land where leftists have a viable alternative. You want change? Go find a milquetoast liberal running uncontested and primary against them. Ask hard questions and make them accountable. Sitting on your high horse while the world burns is not only useless, but an insult to the people who are actually suffering because of your choices. Fuck off.

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      Anarchism is about power to the people and power to communities, you vote for the best thing for your community regardless of your personal feelings

      Yes, we anarchists famously believe that liberation from repressive structures can be achieved first-and-foremost through voting.

      I get that this is your perspective, but I think you’ve missed the point of anarchism if this is what you think it entails.

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        My perspective is that you fight on ALL fronts and you don’t leave power on the table for fascists to grab just because it doesn’t fit in with your revolution fantasy narrative to do so. I never said nor implied that voting is enough. It isn’t. But it is a simple way to keep dangerous people away from power.

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          That’s dandy, but that’s not an anarchist perspective. Fascism arises from capitalism under threat - if you’re not ready to defend yourself against the state abusing it’s monopoly on violence, then you’re not an anarchist.

          The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.

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              If the house of government was ever truly the people’s, it was stolen from us the moment it was done being built.

              Democracy is only a small measure of power, and in a liberal democracy, most of that power is ceded to capital.

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      Join a Union? Feed the homeless? Organize your fellow tenants? Actually attend a city council meeting?

      You’re smugly confirming your allegiance to the liberal death cult, because your only conception of “political engagement” is voting in a system that is crumbling before our very eyes.

      And no, just voting wouldn’t have stopped that decay. Nothing in the world is static, and 1000 years of Obama wouldn’t stop the larger political-economic factors that are fueling fascism, political polarization, and civil unrest.

      Cool, go vote, especially if it’s in your local and state elections that no one actually pays attention to. But disengage from the rat race, and do something with an actual impact in your community.

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        Progressives are Neoliberal 2.0. In the corporate sector, this is called getting ahead of the problem. co-op the left before the left can even learn to walk again. There are billionaires on both sides supporting this pseudo world aka left and Right paradigm. We are all just watching Shadows dance on the walls. We are not going to vote our way out of these bigger problems. And if you keep it real and you see how the sausage is made, you can pretty much predict how this is all eventually gonna go. The Ratchet effect. We move further and further to the right. And clearly this has something to do with fiscal realities and the suffering of the working class. Like guns aren’t the problem. The problem is fiscal. And those fiscal problems lead to interpersonal issues. The guns don’t help though. We don’t like to deal with the root causes because it questions the very nature of our existence. Ultimately, I am victorious because we will destroy ourselves. We are literally in the process of destroying all life on Earth. It’s kind of awesome being right about everything. Unfortunately, I am mortal and I suffer just like all the other slobs.

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          There are billionaires on both sides supporting this pseudo world aka left and Right paradigm.

          Really? Do tell… which billionaire parasites are (supposedly) funding the left?

          It’s kind of awesome being right about everything.

          That just tells me you’ve never been right about anything.

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      Aaaaaaand moderators have nuked my comments. Awesome. Any explanation as to why, besides not liking the points I was making?