I’ve been out there with these people since they started coming to the local protests my comrades and I started back in February. They absolutely have been deescalating any actual potential leftism because they give people the idea that the neolibs will swoop in and save the day rather than looking for a better solution to our billionaire beholden, two party farce of a democracy. I’ve been able to reach quite a few people by being a consistent, reliable person there but when indivisible rolls up trying to get people to vote for them rather than organizing their local communities, it’s redirecting people’s energy towards the wrong thing.
Saying we’re a bunch of keyboard warriors that aren’t out there hitting the pavement is almost the same as saying the 2A conservatives are the only ones with guns.
Could you give me some advice on how to instantaneously win over millions of hearts and minds? Or are you saying I should just roll over and let the neolibs do their thing?
Oh, I’m sorry, is doing revolutionary organizing gonna take time and work and dealing with annoying people? Is the struggle a struggle?
You need to actually put in some fucking work, learn, build skills, build an organization, and deploy that organization to these protests to win people over. I’m doing it every single fucking day and it has been productive. It has moved large numbers of people closer to the politics we need. Your belief that we need to invent a Convince the Masses of Communism button and press it or lose is exactly why I’m calling you a loser. You’re gonna need to talk to people who might not already agree with you, and who might not even agree with you after you talk to them!
I’ve been able to reach quite a few people by being a consistent, reliable person there
I get your criticisms, but if you go back and read @calidris@hexbear.net"s comment, he says he’s doing exactly what you’re advocating and is expressing some frustration with people who are tugging on the other end of the rope.
If you’re engaging with people in real life the same way you are on here, I’m surprised you’re able to make any progress. And if you don’t, why do you have more patience with them than you do with us?
And if you don’t, why do you have more patience with them than you do with us?
Frankly because you all should know better. Instead the site is filled with politically demobilizing idealistic takes. My audience right now is the self-righteous strain of political disengagement from a bunch of people who supposedly want to build communism on a website known for crude and blunt communication.
Okay but you’re getting multiple replies from people doing the thing you want them to do and expressing some frustration over the experience and your response has been to continue to do your best R. Lee Ermey impression at them.
i’m mad red and nude and there’s nothing you can do about it
ok but yes I concede that @calidris@hexbear.net is doing the right thing and I apologize for lumping them in with the rest of the people on here who are very much not. Sorry calidris, you do not deserve to be a target of my scorn.
I would imagine crude and blunt is a multiple times a day encounter IRL, too. At least where I am. Don’t get me wrong, so are ill intentions couched in polite wordcraft, so skill when conversing with either is necessary. Online is practice.
I’ve been out there with these people since they started coming to the local protests my comrades and I started back in February. They absolutely have been deescalating any actual potential leftism because they give people the idea that the neolibs will swoop in and save the day rather than looking for a better solution to our billionaire beholden, two party farce of a democracy. I’ve been able to reach quite a few people by being a consistent, reliable person there but when indivisible rolls up trying to get people to vote for them rather than organizing their local communities, it’s redirecting people’s energy towards the wrong thing.
Saying we’re a bunch of keyboard warriors that aren’t out there hitting the pavement is almost the same as saying the 2A conservatives are the only ones with guns.
damn, you better give up and just let indivisble have the movement
if you don’t want democrats to take over, you need to get out there and take over
Could you give me some advice on how to instantaneously win over millions of hearts and minds? Or are you saying I should just roll over and let the neolibs do their thing?
Oh, I’m sorry, is doing revolutionary organizing gonna take time and work and dealing with annoying people? Is the struggle a struggle?
You need to actually put in some fucking work, learn, build skills, build an organization, and deploy that organization to these protests to win people over. I’m doing it every single fucking day and it has been productive. It has moved large numbers of people closer to the politics we need. Your belief that we need to invent a Convince the Masses of Communism button and press it or lose is exactly why I’m calling you a loser. You’re gonna need to talk to people who might not already agree with you, and who might not even agree with you after you talk to them!
I get your criticisms, but if you go back and read @calidris@hexbear.net"s comment, he says he’s doing exactly what you’re advocating and is expressing some frustration with people who are tugging on the other end of the rope.
If you’re engaging with people in real life the same way you are on here, I’m surprised you’re able to make any progress. And if you don’t, why do you have more patience with them than you do with us?
Frankly because you all should know better. Instead the site is filled with politically demobilizing idealistic takes. My audience right now is the self-righteous strain of political disengagement from a bunch of people who supposedly want to build communism on a website known for crude and blunt communication.
Okay but you’re getting multiple replies from people doing the thing you want them to do and expressing some frustration over the experience and your response has been to continue to do your best R. Lee Ermey impression at them.
i’m mad red and nude and there’s nothing you can do about it
ok but yes I concede that @calidris@hexbear.net is doing the right thing and I apologize for lumping them in with the rest of the people on here who are very much not. Sorry calidris, you do not deserve to be a target of my scorn.
I wholeheartedly accept your apology. We need leftist unity in all things.
Sometimes we just need a kick in the ass, just tryna point out that there’s also been what looks to me like good faith engagement.
I would imagine crude and blunt is a multiple times a day encounter IRL, too. At least where I am. Don’t get me wrong, so are ill intentions couched in polite wordcraft, so skill when conversing with either is necessary. Online is practice.