What a disgusting comment lol. Zionism is absolutely about Jewish supremacy. Have you read any foundational Zionist text, or any modern Israeli laws or like, you know, read anything that Israeli officials say?
Absolutely horrible to associate recognizing the ethnonationalism of Israel with antisemitism. White supremacists also call, for example, white abolitionists “race traitors”. Are they not racial supremacists?
Zionists aren’t truthful. Them calling people “fake Jews” doesn’t somehow make them not Jewish supremacists lol
Jewish supremacy is a real thing. “Israelis” build it up as part of Zionism and like all ethnic supremacist projects with any foothold it spreads out and becomea diluted in discourse. It is itself tied to white supremacy, as the Zionist project also attempts to erase most cultural aspects of non-Ashkenazi Jewish people and conflates Ashkenazi culture(s) with Judaism, and at the same time, whiteness when it suits them.
In US political spaces, this mixture of white supremacy and “Israeli” Zionist Jewish supremacy is very common and is most commonly spread by non-Jewish Zionists. You get it from, for example, the implication that (brown) Palestinian lives are worth much less than (white) Jewish lives (with the latter ble ded with “Israeli” as well). That is close to what parent is referring to. The constant attempt to redirect from a literal genocide of Palestinians by Zionist settlers to false claims of a dramatic rise in antisemitism in New York is an ethnic supremacist talking point. The comparison of irrational worries about a Palestinian flag being scary vs. thousands of murdered children, and the former is what you are supposed to care about more and what you must answer for, rather than the active supported of genocide, like Jeffries, answering for the latter.
Regarding your last point, you are correct, but also so am I and parent. Jewish supremacists are also antisemitic in that they hate and oppress large swaths of Jewish people and apread antisemitic lies and propaganda. The most heinous being the ubiquitous lie that it is itself antisemitic to criticize genocidal settler colonialism. But they are still Jewish supremacists. Ethnic supremacists have never been particularly consistent. The social construction of races and race hate is defined against “the other” for political purposes to achieve a social end, it is anything but consistent or scientific. For example, white supremacists hate a lot of white people, including white Jewish people. And, classically, these various groups: Catholics, light-skinned hispanics, Irish people, Slavic people, Italians. Extend your thinking to that situation: can white supremacists therefore be described as, “anti-white” because they also oppress and hate other white people? Of course not, they are still white supremacists and they do exist and promulgate white supremacist thoughy that is then repeated by people all across various racial constructions.
Of course, I do want to note that there is important context and I am not conflating white supremacy and Jewish supremacy, particularly in the US. White supremacy is the dominant racial system of oppression in the US and has historically had a large base of support among its large white population (subject to constant redefinition of course, mainly as opposite to black people). The US does not have any similar domestic “Jewish supremacist” base, now or historically - they aren’t built up as part of anti-blackness and the construct serves no direct domestic purpose.
But there is a bridge, and that is why these are connected ideas. In “Israel”, Jewish supremacy is dominant and serves purposes for controlling and oppressing Palestinians and for erasing non-Ashkenazi cultural practice and identity (and even Ashkenazi practices that don’t align with various Zionist beliefs). But this does not float in the US, it would not rally anyone to their cause, not really. So in the US, white supremacy is the bridge. Both in dehumanizing brown people to manufacture consent for the oppression and genocude of Palestinians and in the demand to disproportionately, even within the same thought or sentence, care very much about the worries of white Jewish people in the US, usually irrational worries and exaggerations about pro-Palestinian protests. This is only accepted due to the white supremacist filter.
Zionists are not “Jewish supremacists”, they specifically oppose and oppress a number of different kinds of Jews (including Holocaust survivors and Ethiopian Jews). They also oppose Jews who choose to live outside of Isr*el, or Jews who are theologically opposed to the Zionist project.
I think that “jewish supremacist” applies here perfectly well, what’s a more nazi trait than quibbling over who’s white enough to avoid the camps?
being jewish is fine, being zionist is punishable by death
This is exactly 1 for 1 like saying that calling America a white supremacist state is racist against white people. After all, it’s not run for the benefit of ALL white people!!! Except worse in that anti semitism is a real thing.
I suggest that you should probably not peddle great replacement level nonsense. It’s fucking offensive.
Calling Zionism “Jewish supremacy” equates Zionism and Judaism.
No, it doesn’t. Why would it? Calling Zionism “Judaism” would, but saying “Jewish supremacy” is the guiding ideology of Zionism doesn’t. You can’t just say dumb shit like this, you have to justify it. And your link doesn’t! It doesn’t say anything about Jewish supremacy. It says equating Zionism to Judaism is anti Semitic, which… No shit? No one here disagrees with that, least of all me! But no one is SAYING that, because saying “Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology” is NOT the same as equating Zionism and Judaism, because Judaism IS NOT JEWISH SUPREMACY.
The explicit goal of Zionists is a Jewish state where exclusively Jewish people hold power. They enact their laws on the basis of maintaining that power. They are very clear about this. That is Jewish supremacy, just like building a country like America, where white people hold power and laws are enacted to keep white people in power, is white supremacy. No shit that’s not what Judaism is, it’s a whole separate thing, that’s why it has a different name.
I would really, really like to know what part of that essay supports your position, because I don’t see it. I would also like to know what you think “Jewish supremacist” means because it sounds like you think it just means “Jewish”, which is obviously a painfully illiterate position, so it can’t be that, right?
So, no answer? I am genuinely curious how saying “Zionism is Jewish supremacist” could be read as “Zionism is Judaism”, which appears to be your objection.
Okay then I retract that, but I’m still wondering how to best describe these bigots? “Zionist” works well enough I guess and doesn’t need extra flavor.
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What a disgusting comment lol. Zionism is absolutely about Jewish supremacy. Have you read any foundational Zionist text, or any modern Israeli laws or like, you know, read anything that Israeli officials say?
Absolutely horrible to associate recognizing the ethnonationalism of Israel with antisemitism. White supremacists also call, for example, white abolitionists “race traitors”. Are they not racial supremacists?
Zionists aren’t truthful. Them calling people “fake Jews” doesn’t somehow make them not Jewish supremacists lol
Jewish supremacy is a real thing. “Israelis” build it up as part of Zionism and like all ethnic supremacist projects with any foothold it spreads out and becomea diluted in discourse. It is itself tied to white supremacy, as the Zionist project also attempts to erase most cultural aspects of non-Ashkenazi Jewish people and conflates Ashkenazi culture(s) with Judaism, and at the same time, whiteness when it suits them.
In US political spaces, this mixture of white supremacy and “Israeli” Zionist Jewish supremacy is very common and is most commonly spread by non-Jewish Zionists. You get it from, for example, the implication that (brown) Palestinian lives are worth much less than (white) Jewish lives (with the latter ble ded with “Israeli” as well). That is close to what parent is referring to. The constant attempt to redirect from a literal genocide of Palestinians by Zionist settlers to false claims of a dramatic rise in antisemitism in New York is an ethnic supremacist talking point. The comparison of irrational worries about a Palestinian flag being scary vs. thousands of murdered children, and the former is what you are supposed to care about more and what you must answer for, rather than the active supported of genocide, like Jeffries, answering for the latter.
Regarding your last point, you are correct, but also so am I and parent. Jewish supremacists are also antisemitic in that they hate and oppress large swaths of Jewish people and apread antisemitic lies and propaganda. The most heinous being the ubiquitous lie that it is itself antisemitic to criticize genocidal settler colonialism. But they are still Jewish supremacists. Ethnic supremacists have never been particularly consistent. The social construction of races and race hate is defined against “the other” for political purposes to achieve a social end, it is anything but consistent or scientific. For example, white supremacists hate a lot of white people, including white Jewish people. And, classically, these various groups: Catholics, light-skinned hispanics, Irish people, Slavic people, Italians. Extend your thinking to that situation: can white supremacists therefore be described as, “anti-white” because they also oppress and hate other white people? Of course not, they are still white supremacists and they do exist and promulgate white supremacist thoughy that is then repeated by people all across various racial constructions.
Of course, I do want to note that there is important context and I am not conflating white supremacy and Jewish supremacy, particularly in the US. White supremacy is the dominant racial system of oppression in the US and has historically had a large base of support among its large white population (subject to constant redefinition of course, mainly as opposite to black people). The US does not have any similar domestic “Jewish supremacist” base, now or historically - they aren’t built up as part of anti-blackness and the construct serves no direct domestic purpose.
But there is a bridge, and that is why these are connected ideas. In “Israel”, Jewish supremacy is dominant and serves purposes for controlling and oppressing Palestinians and for erasing non-Ashkenazi cultural practice and identity (and even Ashkenazi practices that don’t align with various Zionist beliefs). But this does not float in the US, it would not rally anyone to their cause, not really. So in the US, white supremacy is the bridge. Both in dehumanizing brown people to manufacture consent for the oppression and genocude of Palestinians and in the demand to disproportionately, even within the same thought or sentence, care very much about the worries of white Jewish people in the US, usually irrational worries and exaggerations about pro-Palestinian protests. This is only accepted due to the white supremacist filter.
I think that “jewish supremacist” applies here perfectly well, what’s a more nazi trait than quibbling over who’s white enough to avoid the camps?
being jewish is fine, being zionist is punishable by death
This is exactly 1 for 1 like saying that calling America a white supremacist state is racist against white people. After all, it’s not run for the benefit of ALL white people!!! Except worse in that anti semitism is a real thing.
I suggest that you should probably not peddle great replacement level nonsense. It’s fucking offensive.
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No, it doesn’t. Why would it? Calling Zionism “Judaism” would, but saying “Jewish supremacy” is the guiding ideology of Zionism doesn’t. You can’t just say dumb shit like this, you have to justify it. And your link doesn’t! It doesn’t say anything about Jewish supremacy. It says equating Zionism to Judaism is anti Semitic, which… No shit? No one here disagrees with that, least of all me! But no one is SAYING that, because saying “Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology” is NOT the same as equating Zionism and Judaism, because Judaism IS NOT JEWISH SUPREMACY.
The explicit goal of Zionists is a Jewish state where exclusively Jewish people hold power. They enact their laws on the basis of maintaining that power. They are very clear about this. That is Jewish supremacy, just like building a country like America, where white people hold power and laws are enacted to keep white people in power, is white supremacy. No shit that’s not what Judaism is, it’s a whole separate thing, that’s why it has a different name.
I would really, really like to know what part of that essay supports your position, because I don’t see it. I would also like to know what you think “Jewish supremacist” means because it sounds like you think it just means “Jewish”, which is obviously a painfully illiterate position, so it can’t be that, right?
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So, no answer? I am genuinely curious how saying “Zionism is Jewish supremacist” could be read as “Zionism is Judaism”, which appears to be your objection.
Okay then I retract that, but I’m still wondering how to best describe these bigots? “Zionist” works well enough I guess and doesn’t need extra flavor.
What they said is actually extremely gross and Jewish supremacy is a perfect description of zionist beliefs.
Don’t retract that. You are 100% right.
The fact the Lemmygrad user didn’t respond to his comment though isn’t a good look
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