Yeah, I know they oppose the CPC because they are AES and therefore revisionist/Stalinist, but I guess that makes sense that they must blame Stalin somehow for them being “corrupted”
Though that is a rough conversation. Good to see Trots haven’t changed a bit and are still perfectly happy spouting off drivel that is internally contradictory and thinking that it makes them the One True Communists. I guess it make sense, the appeal of that sort of thinking is a smug “I told you so” attitude you get to throw at people, so they don’t care about their worldview being consistent, they only care about their hypothetical “what should of happened” being better than reality. That’s why I lump them in with ultras, because a lot of ultra groups do that too, ignoring material reality in favour of “(insert my favourite socialist figure here) should’ve waved their magic communism wand and made communism everywhere for everyone.”
The conversation was just funny to me. Like, we both basically agreed on several major points that the average person wouldn’t even know what we were talking about (for example about the Second International), we both even basically agreed on what should’ve been done, with the benefit of hindsight, but because I said the decisions were understandable at the time, they’re ready to declare me as an enemy of the people. And that’s how you know what it’s really about, that the theoretical/ideological points are just an afterthought and the main thing is this obsession with attacking and denouncing AES states.
Matches a lot of my experiences with Trots, often well read and know a lot about socialist history, but always in a “I can recite the exact names and addresses of everyone who attended the first international” sort of way. They can recite things that they have memorised, but they don’t seek to understand it or interpret it, the “information” is pure and not to be examined or discussed or challenged, like religious dogma. There’s no reflection, no understanding of the human element of these events, no “what would I do given the information they had at the time?” it’s always just “the bad people did the bad thing and suppressed the good kind of communism forever.”
Yeah, I know they oppose the CPC because they are AES and therefore revisionist/Stalinist, but I guess that makes sense that they must blame Stalin somehow for them being “corrupted”
Though that is a rough conversation. Good to see Trots haven’t changed a bit and are still perfectly happy spouting off drivel that is internally contradictory and thinking that it makes them the One True Communists. I guess it make sense, the appeal of that sort of thinking is a smug “I told you so” attitude you get to throw at people, so they don’t care about their worldview being consistent, they only care about their hypothetical “what should of happened” being better than reality. That’s why I lump them in with ultras, because a lot of ultra groups do that too, ignoring material reality in favour of “(insert my favourite socialist figure here) should’ve waved their magic communism wand and made communism everywhere for everyone.”
The conversation was just funny to me. Like, we both basically agreed on several major points that the average person wouldn’t even know what we were talking about (for example about the Second International), we both even basically agreed on what should’ve been done, with the benefit of hindsight, but because I said the decisions were understandable at the time, they’re ready to declare me as an enemy of the people. And that’s how you know what it’s really about, that the theoretical/ideological points are just an afterthought and the main thing is this obsession with attacking and denouncing AES states.
Matches a lot of my experiences with Trots, often well read and know a lot about socialist history, but always in a “I can recite the exact names and addresses of everyone who attended the first international” sort of way. They can recite things that they have memorised, but they don’t seek to understand it or interpret it, the “information” is pure and not to be examined or discussed or challenged, like religious dogma. There’s no reflection, no understanding of the human element of these events, no “what would I do given the information they had at the time?” it’s always just “the bad people did the bad thing and suppressed the good kind of communism forever.”
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