As far as the mod action here go, it signals that this is not a place for actual discussion and shareworthy news.
They are proving that their community is not for learning news and seeing stuff you would not otherwise had know it. This is a community to share only the things we all know/believe in.
The article is by CNN based on about 80 pages report by Dinah Project and shared and discussed by other outlets:
And other outlets.
The conclusion for me here is clear.
Oh, look… hasbara is butthurt because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
Yawn.
white supremacist propaganda.
Words have meaning my dude.
Oh, look… hasbara is still butthurt because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
their white supremacist propaganda.
Words still have meaning.
Oh, look… hasbara just can’t stop being butthurt because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
Don’t break your arm stroking yourself, bro.
Enjoy it, alone.
I rather live in the real world.
Oh, look… hasbara is now sulking because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
This is debunked bullshit propaganda by the Israelis, so YDI.
Great, any links or sources for the debunking?
Stop trying to waste our time, hasbara.
Nope.
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat.
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YDW, you should be fucking banned for trying to excuse genocide.
All those sources are knowm to lie for zionist propaganda. Take your hazbara lies elsewhere. The sea, perhaps, as you walk into it?
I genuinely think better of /worldnews for removing this. The fact they didn’t ban you for advocating violence is evidence they’re still licking boot though.
The sea, perhaps, as you walk into it?
Is this a “kys” straight from 4chan ?
trying to excuse genocide.
Where exactly did I do that?
You are a blight upon the world. Leave.
Leave to where?
Go to reddit, they’d love you over there
I use Reddit and Lemmy.
Do you want to convince me why should I use Reddit only?
No
Then on Lemmy, I am.
YDI. It’s Israeli propaganda meant to justify Israel’s ongoing atrocities.
It’s Israeli propaganda
You got any proof of that?
The first question to ask, a basic of media literacy, is “is this feasible”. October 7th was an extensively planned and time-sensitive operation for everyone involved. When you’re conducting a surprise attack on multiple fronts, against an enemy that has immensely superior weaponry, surveillance, communications, and numbers to your own, every second matters. When every second matters, you can’t just take minutes to SA someone. Shooting someone who’s a threat? Quite possibly. Butremoved makes no sense in this situation.
The second question to ask is “what are the interests of parties involved and does the news make sense in their context”. From the accomplishment of the operation, taking hostages for bargaining purposes, it is clear that this was the main objective, with secondary objectives being to strike military installations, dispel the sense of Israeli invulnerability, and bring the plight of Palestinians to the forefront of global awareness. Trying to SA someone is counter to all these objectives: when you SA someone, they become a less cooperative hostage, you make yourself vulnerable, you lose out on options to take more hostages or hit more military targets, and you lose favor in the public eye.
The third question is “what is the power balance, and who has the ability to shape media narratives”. Israel is known to have a massive media spin apparatus, employing thousands if not tens of thousands of people. These allegations ofremoved serve the powerful against the powerless. Israel stands to gain from them, and Palestine stands to lose some of its goodwill.
Another approach is to look at other things that correlate with the story. We heard claims of massremoveds and claims of “40 beheaded babies” in the same breath from Israeli sources. There was never any images or other evidence provided of the beheadings (which also fail the other tests above), despite being lied about even by US government officials. We also have testimony of October 7th survivors describing how their captors were stern but respectful, and testimony of hostages saying how Hamas and their allies took a very arrogant pride in treating their captives “like good Muslims should”. Finally, on the other side of the illegal security partition, we have Israeli prisons, where people are held for years without being convicted and whereremoved and torture of detainees are commonplace. The public support for this is so firm that Israelis rioted against their military police doing an investigation of prison guardremoveds at Sde Teiman, a particularly notorious facility. We have a regime that is under strain, and needs every PR victory to marshal its society into the war of extermination, in order to avoid the coming of its own reckoning.
The IDF itself leads with the line “we are at war, and atrocities happen in war”. The united resistance makes appeals to standards for rules of engagement. It’s impossible to refute beyond a doubt whether anyremoved may have happened that day, but by and large, the orders and ambitions were not to do so. In comparison to other armed conflicts that ran across civilians, it seems highly likely that the incidence ofremoved from 10-7/Al-Aqsa Flood is much lower than average.
In this age of deepfakes and filter bubbles, answering these questions can take you a long way. This is the difference between critical thinking about media versus credulously accepting something that is stamped with a recognizable logo, and treating reality as an inconceivably long list of independently-assessable events rather than manifestations of broad patterns.
I’m sure Radio Mille-Collines had lots of official journalistical content talking about massremoveds just like the Dinah Project does. Would you give them credibility too?
I’m not going to say anything about deserving posts getting removed or not, but between falling for propaganda lies and punching down, you should be ashamed of yourself.
lol
lmao even
Oh, very nice proof/source you got there mate.
https://youtu.be/vhFm62msNGc?t=8295 (excuse the video source, this is the best discussion I’ve heard about this issue as someone who’s not a lawyer and going through the written reports)
It is those who make a claim who has the burden to prove it. It is not everybody else’s job to disprove them. The Zionists’ have failed to present any proof for these racist claims that convinces independent observers
Zionist terrorist organisations are notoriously untrustworthy sources (Beheaded babies, kHamas command centres under hospitals, Iran being just about to have nukes).
It is those who make a claim who has the burden to prove it.
They did not lift that burden
I normally hate on world news, in fact I have blocked it for quite a while out of disgust.
But this is a correct call, they did good here. The source is bad, it’s widely known to be propaganda, and its uncritical spread by USA mainstream media is a seen as a massive failure of journalistic integrity.
In other words, if the world news mods see this as a bridge too far, then other pro Israeli people should use caution when passing this blindly.
If one wants to know more about the hostages and what they suffered, read independent Israeli media instead.
This bullshit has been debunked dozens of times every time this genocide apologia is brought up. Why are you posting Nazi Zionist lies?
Great, then post the link to the clear debunking of this article/ report.
It should be very easy for you, if it’s as you said.
Right?
that’s not how this works. you make a claim, you provide evidence. nobody has to disprove your fairy tales when you didn’t provide any evidence to start with, you genocide supporting piece of shit.
80 pages of evidence. My dude.
You parrot words, without understanding what do they mean.
that’s a fucking israeli propaganda source, you dumbass. nothing in that reeport has a lick of truth. post some actual fucking proof.
I guess arguing with you is a real waste of time.
Your Loop.
Evidence » Proof.
that is propaganda
Great, where is your sources or proof that is a propaganda?
you did not provide any evidence
Return to step 1.
Rinse and repeat.
you’ve still yet to provide any proof. I guess the title of your post was right, it’s your feeling before facts.
you can’t even provide one bit of evidence that wasn’t made up by fucking israeli nazis to justify their murder of innocent people based on nothing more than racism and their feelings of religious supremacy. you’re nothing more than a scumbag genocide supporter. eat shit and die a agonizing death, you fascist fuck.
Continue your loop.
No. You know you’re lying. We know you’re lying. Facts are nkt the sokution here. Facts wont change your mind. You dont give a shit about truth, so truth cannoy sway you.
You are a blight upon the world. Leave.
“Facts”
@pro@reddthat.com is a genocide supporting fascist.
Louder.
You are a blight upon the world. Leave.
Leave to where?
There is literally nothing to prove they have no sources but Israel and zero first hand testimony. Go away Zionist scum.
Idk how anyone can look at that source, the Dinah project and not see them as propaganda.
How so?
What part makes it look trustworthy to you?
Oh and the fact it has Gal Godot on the board
Or that they just made a book calling it their report
Newly created account makes drama when called out for being an apologist for a genocidal entity
Newly created account
LOL
makes drama when called out for being an apologist for a genocidal entity
Where exactly was I " an apologist for a genocidal entity" ?