Commiunism

We had liberal politicians fight fascism in the past, and it was great!

Not only did they welcome fascists who opportunistically saw where things were going with open arms, but also forced workers to accept monarchists and reactionaries who repressed and brutalized them constantly as comrades in arms and 2 days after Fascism fell in Italy, Fiat for instance had ordered guards to fire into insubordinate workers if they didn’t start working in 5 minutes.

Workers got so fucked that you could upload the retelling of the events on PornHub

The average workers for Israel literally go on the news to yell how happy they are to have a chance to contribute to the atrocities.

First of all, how do you even arrive to the conclusion that it’s the “average workers” based off of a couple of people whom they might have grabbed off the street or maybe somewhere specific like a pro-war protest that admittedly do happen.

Second of all, the media is literally nationalized by Israeli government who have an imperialistic interest in the war, and maybe it’s a crazy theory but maybe spreading such propaganda and exclusively shaping pro-war narratives is part of their job? Like, if someone dissents and says anti-war slogans on state media, they’ll just arrest them and cut the recording out until they find a more aligned person or just script it entirely?

Regardless of what you think about political systems, sometimes it’s just that people are inherently evil. As the US elections showed us.

There’s a long and exhausting debate that can be had here, but I personally disagree strongly because this is the type of rhetoric and narratives that fascists spin, but turn it against who they paint as enemies. It’s the material conditions that drive human behavior and who they support, and things have been going downhill which prompted people to turn reactionary, start trusting the pro-Trump propaganda, refusing to trust “liberal owned media” and this is something that’s happening worldwide with the rise of far-right. Trump himself didn’t drop out of the sky and ruined everything, things were already broken enough for people like him to take the opportunity.

What’s the point though? The atrocities committed are being orchestrated by the ruling capitalists and politicians in Israel, not the average worker who has no say other than the threat of jail for soldiers who refused to commit them, and even those that do are tricked by indoctrination that it somehow benefits them.

The only ones benefitting are the capitalists, not workers who might be torrenting

This isn’t limited to two party systems, but liberal democracies in general in the entire world. There hasn’t really been any change of the status quo for who-knows-how-long anywhere whether it’s 2 or 10 parties on the ballot

I literally didn’t say anything you’re arguing against, so I’m kind of confused.

I’m unsure you know anything about economies either given how you only scream about hierarchies - sure, some economic systems support hierarchical structures such as capitalist market economy supporting itself and the class society that comes with it.

However, regardless of whether hierarchy exists or not, there will have to be an economic system in place, so we know what to produce and how much of it, else you either overproduce and create a fuck ton of waste or underproduce and have people starve.

Under both communism and anarchism, things would be produced to satisfy needs, rather than for profit that is seen within market economies. There would be no commodity exchange, things being distributed to whoever needs it and during production, you’d have a set amount of goods you need to produce to satisfy those needs AKA planned economies which is something you think is worse than hitler given your response. Of course, there’s also niche anarchist sects that are mutualist/ancom or voluntarist (which are the laughing stock within Anarchists themselves who actually read), but that’s another can of worms and really besides the point.

Whether you have a centralized unit managing the production and distribution of everything or if you have each commune manage their local production and communicating with other communes to get what they can’t produce, it’s still a planned economy - it can be both decentralized and centralized, organized in different ways.

Maybe don’t make onboarding new people to the left any harder than it has to be?

I’m not here to onboard people, but rather educate on topics I know something about.

Economy is very much real, and it’s funny to see Anarchists say shit like this, can’t beat the stereotype. Production and its distribution is global, you have to know what and how much to produce either via the use of markets (capitalist) or planned economies (socialist/communist) or via other modes of production and distribution.

You could previously make most things locally so these concepts didn’t exist, but that’s only because people were mostly living the life of a peasant, but now you have tech, advancements in medicine, and not every state has these kinds of resources.

However, the mainstream economics and its models are bullshit, the more complex people make them the more de-attached from reality they are