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Only posting to test an app for Lemmy

We(sterners), aggressors, are still the main(~only) obstacle to ‘world peace’/‘a union of diversities’
♪All we are saaying…♬(, are we even trying ? we could/should protect them&us)

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Cake day: August 12th, 2023

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  • So :

    • no guarantee that the “war” will end after these 60 days ;
    • no specific dates or maps for the israeli withdrawal ;
    • almost certainly an obligation for palestinians to give up their weapons, and for the israeli colonization/destruction of what remains of Palestine to continue.

    Let our medias claim once more that it’s these “terrorists” who refuse peace, while never once inviting any of them.

    They could ask for other muslims to swear that if Israel resume the ‘unilateral slaughter’/“war” after this ceasefire, then they will finally intervene to protect them, i.d.k…


    Update : Israel refuses to let the u.n. distribute aid despite proofs that they’re killing every single day innocent civilians, and they also confirm their refusal of any withdrawal. These are basic demands and Israel refuses them, what can they do if Israel refuses them ? They need external help or something, but Israel never ceased to demonstrate their bad faith.

    https://www.axios.com/2025/07/04/hamas-israel-hostage-negotations


  • Israel feels legitimate to ask for the disarmament of Gaza, yet doesn’t want to stop occupying/destroying Palestine so the palestinians are left with no other choice, that’s an inattackable argument justifying Hamas’ violence since peaceful means ‘were attempted’&‘lead to nowhere’.
    It’s known, although we may have forgot, that Fatah reacted favorably to the Oslo accords in 1993&1995, they stopped the hostilities and even recognized Israel, they also disarmed the militias by only keeping an official police force(, from wiki : « the group disengaged from armed conflict against Israel around the time of the Oslo Accords, when it recognised Israel, which gave it limited control over the occupied Palestinian territories. »). And where did that lead them ?
    Netanyahu and Israel just trampled the Oslo accords when he came into power after Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination in 1995, by unapologetically expanding their colonization of Palestine, leading to the existence of Hamas and the discreditation of the ~naive Fatah(, cf. the link above for a short timeline).
    The only moments when Israel and Palestine were walking towards peace was when the greedy Netanyahu wasn’t in government(, e.g. the accords of camp David in 2000).
    Just to say that it’s false to claim that the palestinians were the ones refusing a two-states solution(, even Hamas only asks for the 1967 borders in its 2017 charter !(, art.20)), that it could never have happened only because of them, that’s another lie, history says otherwise.
    That’s the wrong instance to debate such things by preaching to the choir, so w/e.

    As of 17 January[ 2024], analysis of satellite data by Corey Scher of the City University of New York and Jamon Van Den Hoek of Oregon State University reveals that between 50% and 62% of all buildings in Gaza have likely been damaged or destroyed.


  • I had a discussion yesterday with someone who thought that Israel had no choice so i argued that if that was the case then the rightists wouldnt have assassinated Yitzhak Rabbin, they wouldn’t have feared that the peace process succeed, that solutions are available but we’re not discussing them, etc. etc. And then in the evening my twitter feed led me to this link which i felt worth including here.
    It’s hard not to think that left vs. right is simply good/nice/ empathetic/… vs. bad/selfish/“realist”/…


    Also, it’s annoying but we’re still hearing, even almost 2 years later, that if Hamas released all hostages then the “war” would end immediatly, that is such bullshist, so easily debunkable, so here are some examples illustrating that we’re being ‘lied to’/ manipulated :

    • 18th October, 2023 : Hamas Ready To Release All Hostages If Israel Stops Bombing Gaza ;
    • November 2023 : What’s blocking has never been the released of the hostages, even at the beginning, if you remember the ~first peace talks :
      «Talks between Israel and Hamas have been stymied by disagreement over whether a ceasefire should include an end to the war. Hamas says a ceasefire must include the end of the war and a full withdrawal of Israel’s military from the Gaza Strip, which Israel has refused.
      Israel says it will only end its war in exchange for the dismantling and exile of Hamas, which Hamas has refused.
      An offer had already been on the table. Hamas had reportedly offered to release all hostages in exchange for a full withdrawal of Israel’s military from Gaza and an end to the war. On Sunday, Hamas official Mahmoud Mardawi reportedly said
      Netanyahu insisted on a temporary agreement that releases only 10 hostages.
      Mardawi accused Netanyahu of setting “impossible conditions aimed at thwarting the possibility of reaching a ceasefire agreement and a deal on the hostages.” »
      It lead to an end of the truce in december 2023.
    • 21st January 2024 : Once again, Hamas continues to offer to free all hostages, in exchange for palestinian hostages/“prisoners” and the end of the unilateral slaughter/“war”, and, again : «“In exchange for the release of our hostages, Hamas demands the end of the war, the withdrawal of our forces from Gaza, the release of all the murderers and rapists,” Netanyahu said in a statement. “And leaving Hamas intact.” “I reject outright the terms of surrender of the monsters of Hamas,” Netanyahu said.» ;
    • 7th February 2024 : Hamas ‘freedom fighters’/“terrorists” don’t trust Israel to keep their words so ask for a progressive release, while Israel says it’ll continue until every last terrorist is dead : https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-mediators-search-final-formula-israel-hamas-ceasefire-2024-02-07
    • 7th May 2024 : the peace plan is still a progressive exchange of hostages, an end of the war, but now also include humanitarian aid and an end of the blocus, while Israel stays on its position that it won’t end until every terrorist is dead, and begins the Rafah offensive ;
      (Etc., there’s no point in being exhaustive)
    • 17th April 2025 : Just one more unneeded proof that Israel could have reached an agreement to recover their hostages(, instantly this time and not progressively,) but chose instead to recover them by force : https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-is-ready-release-all-remaining-hostages-return-an-end-gaza-war-hamas-gaza-2025-04-17. One does not negotiate with terrorists, or something.

    So let’s not hear again and again that this war would be over tomorrow if Hamas released the hostages, because that’s a very obvious lie stemming from (y)our ignorance.

    (Even if killing thousands of people to liberate hostages was the only way, you don’t do that obviously, but that’s not even the only way since they only asked for an end of the war in exchange)


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/27/palestine-and-israel-brief-history-maps-and-charts



  • Other examples of “terrorist” groups that never killed anyone :

    Group Proscription Date Classification Injured / Killed
    Animal Liberation Front (ALF) Listed under Terrorism Act 2000(, date varies by cell, widely since 2006) Proscribed terrorist organisation(, UK) Injured : Burn injuries reported (e.g. researcher burned in 1989 bomb; baby suffered flash burns and partial finger severance). Killed: None
    Earth Liberation Front (ELF) Proscribed in UK/US(, 2001–2006 period) Eco-terrorist group(, US FBI, UK Home Office) Injured : None reported. Killed : None
    Hizb ut-Tahrir Proscribed by UK Home Office, effective 19 January 2024 Proscribed terrorist organisation(, UK) Injured: None. Killed: None

    Making Palestine Action a terrorist group for “injuring” war planes used in a genocide(, or a unilateral massacre of civilians for those refusing to use a word abused in Lybia or systematically in our wars,) is just further proof that terrorism doesn’t mean anything, and more&more people realize that.
    And yeah, i know that it wasn’t their first actions, but we shouldn’t use the same terms&laws for those refusing to kill :

    https://youtu.be/lJw0ni1Q01k


  • Israel has been fucking around for decades, and found out on October 7th.

    Also, the pretext/‘casus belli’ for this war is so lazy, it’s not like, e.g., Pakistan and India, or the u.s.a. and Japan : Iran would never want to destroy these sacred lands nor expose palestinians to radioactivity. But w/e, we can use the most unlikely excuses and people will just believe what they’re being told, we can’t just use the real reasons apparently.

    My favorite solution would be to give territories in the u.s. to muslims and in Europe to jews, in exchange for a third of Israel/Palestine to christians(, and a third to jews, and another third to muslims), i said.
    Nobody even tries to seek solutions, they’re not discussed in the debates, we ignore the available options.