It’s the only recourse they have. They know their position is immoral, that future generations will look back at their meat-eating ancestors with absolute disgust, similar to how we look at the crimes of our own pasts. But rather than self-reflect, they get defensive and lash out.

It’s the purest, most unadulterated, form of cope.

Yeah, I’ll give them a read. As I said, I trust people here enough to not reflexively dismiss the sources. I was just stating my issues with them and why I tend to not use them that often.

I guess our mileage varies on the AP article. I’ve shown it to people to convince them that China isn’t genociding a million Uyghurs. That leads us to the other parts of the propaganda, yes, but at least it stops them from saying it’s a new Holocaust, which is a win in my book.

I’ll go through these. I’m sure I’ll have questions.

One of the problems I know already is that blogs etc. are not valid news sources. Even if I trust people here and extend that trust to the blogs y’all cite like Red Sails, that will not convince anyone whose not already pro-China. Their anti-anarchist screeds don’t help their case as an arbiter of truth, btw.

The article by Associated Press a year or so ago that goes over how the camps etc are basically shut down now does far more to convince people than sites like Gray Zone whose front page looks identical to any number of far-right news sources. Stuff like their anti-vax BS really hurts their credibility and calls into question how accurate their reporting really is.

Even Sixth Tone, which literally run by the Party, is much more reliable and trustworthy as a source. Unfortunately, they are not a proper daily news outlet, so they don’t cover everything and mostly focus on cultural issues.

These aren’t non-issues or “whatabout-isms” either. How you treat an issue people know about (in the case of libs, it’s anti-vax bs; in the case of leftists, it’s anarchism) effect how much trust they afford to the source in other issues.

It’s usually faces, isn’t it? The body and stuff are good too, obviously, but it’s the face that gets ya.