Truth. I guess I’d just like to imagine they would, but like I said before, who can tell? I’m a Superman fan so I really hope they would be against Zionism. It’d break my heart to find out they we’re also virulent Zionists, or even sympathetic.
From the quick google searches I did there is no evidence that either Siegel or Shuster ever discussed Israel. Shuster died in '92 and Siegel in '96, so they we’re definitely around during the time. Apparently, from what I can find, they were both secular Jews too, so I don’t think they would be pro-Zionist in any way, but who’s to say? I can only go off of what kind of material they were writing for Superman at the time, which had very strong progressive (some have even called the early Superman ‘Socialist Superman’) values. It doesn’t seem to me that that kind of sentiment transfers well to a hyper-nationalistic state like Israel, or even the US for that matter. I think they were just two kids that hated injustice (I believe it was Jerry’s father that was gunned down in a robbery).
I, for one, salute James Gunn for making the bold move to make such a timely political statement in a superhero movie of all things, BUT especially a SUPERMAN movie. Superman would completely step in to stop a genocide, and it’s such a fantastic way to point out the fact that this atrocity is literally supervillain levels of evil that, yes, a superhero WOULD fucking come to save those people. And you have to ask yourself, if you’re siding with this abysmally evil country against Superman of all heroes, what does that make you? I have no doubt that Siegel and Shuster (Supes’ creators) would themselves take a stand against Israel’s actions, even though they were Jewish, they were front in center to the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis that they’d no doubt draw the parallels immediately, and probably would be horrified at the things that are done in the name of Jewish people.
Also: I love, love, LOVE, seeing those sweet Zionist tears flow as each and every one of them has a meltdown watching Superman …being, well, Superman and saving the fucking day from evil assholes.
Exactly, and it was made clear by Luthor’s plans to develop the land taken from the Borovians that the leader’s goal was one of ethnic cleansing to accomplish getting rid of them and taking their land.
Yes! It’s a fantastic series. I especially liked that they had Kal going around the globe and helping out various worker struggles in secret at the beginning of the series. It’s my favorite current Superman book right now. I just finished reading the latest issue earlier today. I’m excited to see where they’ll take it.
The military is usually depicted fairly kid-gloves, but then again you have organizations like Cadmus that are sanctioned by the government to kill or contain metahumans extra-judicially, so the goverment is definitely shown to be doing shady things in the shadows too.
Hmm, really it varies by writer as to how progressive he is politically. Generally his actions reflect his politics as they aren’t outright stated. However, he’s frequently championing social causes and doing things that help citizens directly but also stand in the way of regressive politicians and business leaders (Luthor being the most prominent of those). Unfortunately due to the majority of writers probably being liberal he doesn’t often get quite to socialist Superman as he was in the very beginning. So yes, lib for sure in the tone of the politics that are there. Sadly with big corporations owning these characters the amount of political dialogue allowed is abysmal.
Although, the movie is suprisingly political and makes a comment (albeit in fictional, but easily recognized pastiches) about the Israel conflict and a Superman intervention into such a confrontation. It’s refreshing to see. And from what I’ve heard it’s triggering a lot of libs, conservatives and Zionists. Apparently Fox had some particularly vitriolic things to say about the movie’s message (um, don’t exterminate people indiscriminately I guess).
Written by a man who famously hates the character and used Batman to make a point of making Superman look bad. It’s considered to be one of the worst written versions of Superman of all-time by fans. Superman has, in various incarnations, had some associations with the US government, but usually it’s been writers shilling or when he was being explicitly written as a flag-waving patriot in the WWII era comics. The vast majority of his existence has been one that is frequently at odds with the military and US government policy. There are still some writers that will pander to the military, but those are few and far in between and always cringe levels of writing.
I am a big Superman fan and I can’t tell you how wrong this take is. Yes, certain comics portray Superman as friend and believer in the “American Way” and as sometimes ally of the US military. However, those takes are far from the normal status quo. Of course you get particularly liberal-minded writers who frequently use that take. However, those writers are the exception rather than the rule. Hell, the most famous instance of Superman being a government shill came from Frank Miller in The Dark Knight which is such a poor take on Superman as to be parody. Miller famously hates Superman and found a way to character assassinate him and have Batman beat the shit out of him (laughable). Frequently the US government and Superman are at odds with each other and Superman regularly defies them even going so far as to directly stop their actions.
Superman got his start as someone that opposed societal oppression in all it’s forms. In one golden age story Superman literally tears down a dilapidated tenement building being run by a slumlord who was extorting his tenants and refusing repairs, finding proper housing for the folks and forcing the slumlord to sell to the city to build something suitable. In another story Superman poses as a miner and goes undercover to expose a ruthless businessman exploiting his workers at the mine.
If Superman existed in the real world he definitely would be horrified at the actions of Israel and I have no doubt he’d step in. That’s actually a big point in the movie as he causes an international incident by stepping into stop troops from murdering civilians in a nation that is an obvious stand-in for Israel (it even had it’s own completely obvious pastiche of Netanyahu who meets a grisly fate at the end). At the end of the day these are American comics, by writers of various political and social backgrounds that will sometimes use Superman as a tool of patriotism and fundamentally misrepresent the essence of the character. It’s going to happen from time to time (pretty sure I just read an issue of Action Comics recently that made me cringe with the writer’s sucking-off of the military).
I hope the best for you comrade <3
I beat Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer on the DS a month and a half ago and moved on to playing the English translation of Shiren the Wanderer: The Eye of God and the Devil’s Navel on PSP. It’s the same base Shiren-style game but with more feature like equipment upgrades, runes for weapons, new items, new enemies and the ability to tag and retrieve lost equipment. A nice graphical upgrade too with it being on PSP.
I appreciate all the QoL features which streamlines the experience trememndously. Allies will now walkthrough NPCs without getting stuck behind them, there’s new revival and escape herbs that allow you to revive if you do or escape back to the beginning with all your items if you hit a difficult snag.
At this point, playing for over a month, I’d say it’s the best Shiren game I’ve played yet. I do have the new one that just released on PC and Switch but haven’t gotten to it yet. Honestly, the 3D chibi graphics put me off a bit too. I’ll play it eventually but I’m not in a rush. For me Shiren is a pickup and play handheld game. I play it in 15-20 min bursts on the bus.
Also contemplating playing Arcanum of Steamworks and Magick Obscura on my laptop, especially since I’m GMing a Steampunk tabletop game on Discord, but I don’t know if I have the stamina for an old school CRPG right now.
Sounds like a group of deplorables to me
It’s quickly become my favorite animated show of all-time. It’s closest I’ve ever had to “comfort food” in a show. I’m always smiling like a kid when I watch it. Makes me cry sometimes too because Lois & Clark’s relationship is done better than any other Superman show or movie I’ve seen.
I loved Legion all the way up until the end of season 2. The finale just felt like such a rush to make him into an obvious bad guy. I get that he is in the comics, but they spent the better part of two seasons showing him mostly as the good guy. There were some definite questionable things he did, but I didn’t buy the slide from good guy with some issues to outright villain. I don’t know if they just didn’t have enough time to fully show that descent, but it really soured me. I gave up after two episodes of season 3. Although, I will say it was still worth the ride, the cinematography, effects and overall style of the show is absolutely fantastic. I probably still will finish season 3 someday, but it’s not high enough on my list to make it a priority.
Big Superman fan, so right now my absolute favorite show is My Adventures with Superman. Also, I’d say it’s the best Superman animated series to date. Yes, even more so than The Animated Series from the 90’s (which is still a great show).
However, a very very close second (probably a tie at this point) is an anime I found randomly through some thread online called Mushishi. About a man named Ginko who is a wandering “mushi master”. Mushi are basically like concentrated living energy that take different forms and Ginko travels from village to village encountering new mushi and issues to solve resulting from people’s exposure to a particular mushi. But the core of the show is in the poignancy of the character’s stories and their particular backstories and personal issues that intertwine with the pressing mushi issue. It’s a very slice of life kind of show and the best anime series I’ve seen so far. Incredibly well written and interesting characters even if they’re only seen for an episode. I highly recommend you check it out.
Yeah, they seemed to have been the type that didn’t really step into the spotlight. I’m sure they did interviews, but as a Superman fan in over thirty years I’ve never seen or heard of one (although I’m sure there’s at least a couple, I really should look it up). It’s easy to get jaded when so many seemingly good peple turn out to be vile.