I mean that the international bourgeoisie is clearly what controls both parties, and Israel is only allowed to do its AIPAC thing because it helps the international bourgeoisie. If any country could simply issue crass bribes in the same way, we’d be speaking Mandarin.
I think the other countries, Because of AIPAC, are realizing how easy it is to bribe our politicians through campaign contributions… it’s just that AIPAC figured it out a long time ago.
That’s absurd. AIPAC doesn’t just have Jewish magic money knowledge that it took other states 60+ years to analyze. It was permitted to be dolling out bribes because it helped the agenda of the US government’s imperial project on behalf of the international bourgeoisie. The vast majority of other states (ones that exist more independently of the US) trying to do this type of open bribing would simply not be allowed to, and when they attempt to the state intervenes.
I can understand what you’re saying about Muslim states for example not being allowed to, but I’m not willing to just accept some ethereal idea of international boohjee people… I get it that yes wealthy people have power and influence and often times their interests align much like poor people’s interests align… but if we are going to talk about this we have to stick with what we know and not use terms like that… makes it sound conspiratorial lol
Also, it’s becoming way more obvious that Tucker Carlson is on to something the way that the media and the Israel government people and Trump and democrats are fighting it… why do they all agree on this one point that we should ignore it
It’s not just “Muslim states” (the theocracy of which is wildly overstated in many cases, btw), it’s basically every state that isn’t a US puppet, even US allies, that aren’t allowed to do this, and even US puppets like South Korea can’t (and it has the money to).
but I’m not willing to just accept some ethereal idea of international boohjee people… I get it that yes wealthy people have power and influence and often times their interests align much like poor people’s interests align… but if we are going to talk about this we have to stick with what we know and not use terms like that…
“The international bourgeoisie” is not an equivalent term to “the international Jewry.” The latter is an imagined alliance of the world’s Jews that has no reflection in observable reality beyond Israel itself extending influence (not for the benefit of Jews, but the benefit of the state of Israel under the pretext of benefiting Jews) across the world well after people had started talking about an “international Jewry” with murderous conviction.
The international bourgeoisie is an observable thing, and you can look at the countless international organizations that publicly exist for no other purpose, like the World Economic Forum, the Trilateral Commission, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, OECD, etc. etc.
The larger bourgeois interests operate internationally, with various branches and offices around the world participating in lobbying to make the policies of various countries more favorable to them, including persuading some countries to help forcibly restructure the economies of others to be friendlier to market penetration by international conglomerates. Like, even most liberals understand that the international bourgeoisie exists, even if they basically don’t care about it at all, because it’s plainly observable. Give me a specific standard of evidence that you would accept and I will meet it if it’s not ridiculous, like a written statement from Bill Gates about how he bribes officials in SE Asia or something.
Also, it’s becoming way more obvious that Tucker Carlson is on to something the way that the media and the Israel government people and Trump and democrats are fighting it… why do they all agree on this one point that we should ignore it
They agree on many points, that is one of the main things that I’m trying to communicate. On foreign policy, Trump has been going a little wild this term, but in terms of the broad strokes and goals, they are in complete agreement, and only somewhat disagree on methodology, or they agree even there. See Israel, see Iraq, see Afghanistan, see Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Korea, Granada, all the countries we’ve coup’d, see countless examples. See their opposition to even basic social welfare programs. See their opposition to the advancement of labor rights. How much do I need to go on? Yes, they fight about abortion, and they fight about guns (except when domestic communists get guns, because then Governor Reagan put a stop to it), and they fight about a handful of other issues, but the idea that they are two opposite poles is completely unfounded. Again, I’m happy to take your standard of evidence, though this matter is one liberals are more resistant on despite it honestly being even more obvious, because this one is extremely hostile to their political ideology.
Edit: Also, with the Epstein thing, Israel’s involvement is obviously meaningful, but it’s not what you are making it out to be, because the consensus around this issue is based on the bipartisan collaboration of pedophilic politicians, businessmen, celebrities, etc. Of course the Dems are siding with the GOP, they are also culpable!
the comment you posted reads uncomfortably like a “jews rule the world” post. I’m not saying that’s what you meant, I’m saying it kind of seems that way when removed from the context of critique of captialist imperialism, which is what perpetuates Israel
No. Sorry. Neither you nor Israel gets to use antisemitic arguments accusations, whatever you want to call them anymore.
This is not my idea. This is Tucker Carlson’s idea.
This has nothing to do with tropes about Jews controlling the world. The Israeli government is not, nor will it ever be (thank God, if there is one) a spokesperson for the Jewish faith.
No one who has any sense wants to be a bigot except for people like Netanyahu.
For years and years, living in the United States, I’ve heard democrats calling every single republican politician who runs for office a racist and a sexist. At a certain point, the word loses its meaning, even if we get a real racist or sexist in power.
In the case of Netanyahu we have a literal racist, sexist, terrorist as the leader of the Israeli government. He’s a fucking terrorist. He fucking murders babies knowingly and without remorse to bring fear to the Palestine folks while intentionally starving them.
You seem genuine in your attempt at discussion, I don’t like down voting people I talk to but definitely let me know if or how you disagree.
I hope you are doing well.
Edit: oh… if you’re wondering why I’m mentioning the ongoing genocide in Gaza perpetuated by Israeli government you are either intentionally ignorant or you only watch cable news? May not be “you” but just sayin
The genocide in israel is a consequence of capitalist western imperialist policy going back to the british founding of “israel” and the aftermath of ww2.
I have no clue what your point was here. Do you think I like the democrats or republicans, or for that matter netanyahu? I think you’ve got a wildly off base assumption of people’s feelings around here, we do not like either capitalist party in america, and certainly not netanyahu
There’s no other entity that controls both the republicans and the democrats leadership that has enough power to block the release of the Epstein files other than Israel government and AIPAC
You said this, not tucker carlson. This is a foolish, flawed analysis that ignores the capitalist hegemony in and for which israel was developed at best, and outright, legitimate, antisemitism at worst.
That is not a true statement, because it is captialism which controls these systems, not some jewish cabal, which is the only reasonable assumption implied by the words you chose to use
I don’t think the Israeli government or Netanyahu is intentionally being antisemitic if that’s what you’re suggesting. But they are being antisemitic through their obviously racist genocidal policies and statements.
The backlash of real and genuine antisemitism is going to rise because of these terrorists.
But if it’s not really that big of a deal they could release the files. I wouldn’t even care about it that much if our media and politicians were not adamantly suggesting we focus on other issues lol.
But, if you don’t think our congressmen and congresswomen in the United States are bought and paid for by aipac Israeli government interests you’re either ignorant or full of 💩.
Which one is it? If it is ignorance I’m sure there are plenty of articles on Lemmy that can help you expand your knowledge and grow.
You are also ignoring my main point that Israel is not Judaism. The Israeli government is currently a terrorist, genocidal, colonial, apartheid government that murders children for no other purpose than to expand their territory, that they incidentally murdered Palestinians to obtain.
Jews are pretty cool. Israel is not the Jews. Nor will it ever be.
I don’t think the Israeli government or Netanyahu is intentionally being antisemitic if that’s what you’re suggesting.
Whaaat? no!
I think that the words YOU SAID are antisemetic, and incorrect
There’s no other entity that controls both the republicans and the democrats leadership that has enough power to block the release of the Epstein files other than Israel government and AIPAC
These words. This is incorrect, you have it backwards. It is capitalism, and the systems which hold it in place, that do these things.
You are also ignoring my main point that Israel is not Judaism
No I’m not! We agree about that! However, your analysis that Israel is in charge of US capital, is incorrect, and your words are very similar to very common antisemetic bullshit that you see everywhere, often said by people who DO think that israel = all jewish people
Jews are pretty cool. Israel is not the Jews. Nor will it ever be.
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The Israeli government is currently a terrorist, genocidal, colonial, apartheid government that murders children for no other purpose than to expand their territory, that they incidentally murdered Palestinians to obtain.
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Idk, I think you and I are just talking past each other here, I am flabbergasted because each of your replies was completely unrelated to the things I was trying to say, not sure if I just fucked up my explanations or WHAT but
I don’t think you can reasonably say at this point that the US’s actions re: Israel are in the US and its empire’s best interests. Israel is far and away the greatest risk to US hegemony and security.
Allowing (and encouraging) Israel to do what it’s been doing does not make sense if your goal is to prolong and expand American power.
I’ve heard democrats calling every single republican politician who runs for office a racist and a sexist
Republicans are scum and calling them racist and sexist is accurate. You sound like a ”both sides” lib who wants to desperately believe that some Republicans are respectable and/or present racism and sexism as acceptable as long as it’s done in a more muted way.
The issue isn’t what you meant. The issue is how your words might be twisted. Antisemitism - actual antisemitism - might be on the rise now, thanks to Israel’s bloodlust.
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In such a dynamic way? What do you mean by that phrase?
I mean that the international bourgeoisie is clearly what controls both parties, and Israel is only allowed to do its AIPAC thing because it helps the international bourgeoisie. If any country could simply issue crass bribes in the same way, we’d be speaking Mandarin.
I think the other countries, Because of AIPAC, are realizing how easy it is to bribe our politicians through campaign contributions… it’s just that AIPAC figured it out a long time ago.
That’s absurd. AIPAC doesn’t just have Jewish magic money knowledge that it took other states 60+ years to analyze. It was permitted to be dolling out bribes because it helped the agenda of the US government’s imperial project on behalf of the international bourgeoisie. The vast majority of other states (ones that exist more independently of the US) trying to do this type of open bribing would simply not be allowed to, and when they attempt to the state intervenes.
I can understand what you’re saying about Muslim states for example not being allowed to, but I’m not willing to just accept some ethereal idea of international boohjee people… I get it that yes wealthy people have power and influence and often times their interests align much like poor people’s interests align… but if we are going to talk about this we have to stick with what we know and not use terms like that… makes it sound conspiratorial lol
Also, it’s becoming way more obvious that Tucker Carlson is on to something the way that the media and the Israel government people and Trump and democrats are fighting it… why do they all agree on this one point that we should ignore it
It’s not just “Muslim states” (the theocracy of which is wildly overstated in many cases, btw), it’s basically every state that isn’t a US puppet, even US allies, that aren’t allowed to do this, and even US puppets like South Korea can’t (and it has the money to).
“The international bourgeoisie” is not an equivalent term to “the international Jewry.” The latter is an imagined alliance of the world’s Jews that has no reflection in observable reality beyond Israel itself extending influence (not for the benefit of Jews, but the benefit of the state of Israel under the pretext of benefiting Jews) across the world well after people had started talking about an “international Jewry” with murderous conviction.
The international bourgeoisie is an observable thing, and you can look at the countless international organizations that publicly exist for no other purpose, like the World Economic Forum, the Trilateral Commission, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, OECD, etc. etc.
The larger bourgeois interests operate internationally, with various branches and offices around the world participating in lobbying to make the policies of various countries more favorable to them, including persuading some countries to help forcibly restructure the economies of others to be friendlier to market penetration by international conglomerates. Like, even most liberals understand that the international bourgeoisie exists, even if they basically don’t care about it at all, because it’s plainly observable. Give me a specific standard of evidence that you would accept and I will meet it if it’s not ridiculous, like a written statement from Bill Gates about how he bribes officials in SE Asia or something.
First, you’re the one saying that a specific foreign country secretly controls the global hegemon. Secondly: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/644286-almost-as-an-article-of-faith-some-individuals-believe-that
They agree on many points, that is one of the main things that I’m trying to communicate. On foreign policy, Trump has been going a little wild this term, but in terms of the broad strokes and goals, they are in complete agreement, and only somewhat disagree on methodology, or they agree even there. See Israel, see Iraq, see Afghanistan, see Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Korea, Granada, all the countries we’ve coup’d, see countless examples. See their opposition to even basic social welfare programs. See their opposition to the advancement of labor rights. How much do I need to go on? Yes, they fight about abortion, and they fight about guns (except when domestic communists get guns, because then Governor Reagan put a stop to it), and they fight about a handful of other issues, but the idea that they are two opposite poles is completely unfounded. Again, I’m happy to take your standard of evidence, though this matter is one liberals are more resistant on despite it honestly being even more obvious, because this one is extremely hostile to their political ideology.
Edit: Also, with the Epstein thing, Israel’s involvement is obviously meaningful, but it’s not what you are making it out to be, because the consensus around this issue is based on the bipartisan collaboration of pedophilic politicians, businessmen, celebrities, etc. Of course the Dems are siding with the GOP, they are also culpable!
the comment you posted reads uncomfortably like a “jews rule the world” post. I’m not saying that’s what you meant, I’m saying it kind of seems that way when removed from the context of critique of captialist imperialism, which is what perpetuates Israel
No. Sorry. Neither you nor Israel gets to use antisemitic arguments accusations, whatever you want to call them anymore.
This is not my idea. This is Tucker Carlson’s idea.
This has nothing to do with tropes about Jews controlling the world. The Israeli government is not, nor will it ever be (thank God, if there is one) a spokesperson for the Jewish faith.
No one who has any sense wants to be a bigot except for people like Netanyahu.
For years and years, living in the United States, I’ve heard democrats calling every single republican politician who runs for office a racist and a sexist. At a certain point, the word loses its meaning, even if we get a real racist or sexist in power.
In the case of Netanyahu we have a literal racist, sexist, terrorist as the leader of the Israeli government. He’s a fucking terrorist. He fucking murders babies knowingly and without remorse to bring fear to the Palestine folks while intentionally starving them.
You seem genuine in your attempt at discussion, I don’t like down voting people I talk to but definitely let me know if or how you disagree.
I hope you are doing well.
Edit: oh… if you’re wondering why I’m mentioning the ongoing genocide in Gaza perpetuated by Israeli government you are either intentionally ignorant or you only watch cable news? May not be “you” but just sayin
lmao what??
The genocide in israel is a consequence of capitalist western imperialist policy going back to the british founding of “israel” and the aftermath of ww2.
I have no clue what your point was here. Do you think I like the democrats or republicans, or for that matter netanyahu? I think you’ve got a wildly off base assumption of people’s feelings around here, we do not like either capitalist party in america, and certainly not netanyahu
You said this, not tucker carlson. This is a foolish, flawed analysis that ignores the capitalist hegemony in and for which israel was developed at best, and outright, legitimate, antisemitism at worst.
That is not a true statement, because it is captialism which controls these systems, not some jewish cabal, which is the only reasonable assumption implied by the words you chose to use
So wtf??
I don’t think the Israeli government or Netanyahu is intentionally being antisemitic if that’s what you’re suggesting. But they are being antisemitic through their obviously racist genocidal policies and statements.
The backlash of real and genuine antisemitism is going to rise because of these terrorists.
But if it’s not really that big of a deal they could release the files. I wouldn’t even care about it that much if our media and politicians were not adamantly suggesting we focus on other issues lol.
But, if you don’t think our congressmen and congresswomen in the United States are bought and paid for by aipac Israeli government interests you’re either ignorant or full of 💩.
Which one is it? If it is ignorance I’m sure there are plenty of articles on Lemmy that can help you expand your knowledge and grow.
You are also ignoring my main point that Israel is not Judaism. The Israeli government is currently a terrorist, genocidal, colonial, apartheid government that murders children for no other purpose than to expand their territory, that they incidentally murdered Palestinians to obtain.
Jews are pretty cool. Israel is not the Jews. Nor will it ever be.
Whaaat? no! I think that the words YOU SAID are antisemetic, and incorrect
These words. This is incorrect, you have it backwards. It is capitalism, and the systems which hold it in place, that do these things.
No I’m not! We agree about that! However, your analysis that Israel is in charge of US capital, is incorrect, and your words are very similar to very common antisemetic bullshit that you see everywhere, often said by people who DO think that israel = all jewish people
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Idk, I think you and I are just talking past each other here, I am flabbergasted because each of your replies was completely unrelated to the things I was trying to say, not sure if I just fucked up my explanations or WHAT but
israel does not control the US. the tail does not wag the dog
Okay but the dog looks like this lately
I don’t think you can reasonably say at this point that the US’s actions re: Israel are in the US and its empire’s best interests. Israel is far and away the greatest risk to US hegemony and security.
Allowing (and encouraging) Israel to do what it’s been doing does not make sense if your goal is to prolong and expand American power.
Republicans are scum and calling them racist and sexist is accurate. You sound like a ”both sides” lib who wants to desperately believe that some Republicans are respectable and/or present racism and sexism as acceptable as long as it’s done in a more muted way.
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The issue isn’t what you meant. The issue is how your words might be twisted. Antisemitism - actual antisemitism - might be on the rise now, thanks to Israel’s bloodlust.