‘I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t think that,’ the former Fox News host told an audience on Friday

The guy who wants to fuck the green M&M’s feet has a better take on Epstein than enlightened Ivy League liberals lmao

  • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    13·
    2 days ago

    is the idea, “someone’s going to be saying this stuff, so let’s make that person tucker carlson, whom we can control”?

    or maybe it’s the other way around, tucker knows he’s useful or influential enough to get away with it?

    • VibeCoder [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      29·
      2 days ago

      Genuinely, I recently saw him saw him saying he doesn’t care of people consider him a socialist. He’s kind of ready to coopt whatever populist messaging he needs to to stay relevant

  • IttihadChe@lemmy.mlEnglish
    18·
    2 days ago

    Optimistically: Tucker Carlson coming off as based so much recently is a sign that leftist influence is growing and can no longer just be ignored.

    Pessimistically: I’m not sure we have the movements/organized reach to counter this sort of co-option of leftist aesthetics. We struggle enough against outright neoliberalism/cult of personality politics.

  • marx_ex_machina [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    61·
    3 days ago

    This touches on something I’ve been thinking about with regards to the ongoing schism happening in the American right between the pro and anti-Israel factions.

    I think that as support for the Zionist project among the American public collapses, people like Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes are positioning themselves to be central figures of the right when the Trump train inevitably implodes and the American empire decides that blind support for Israel is no longer of the upmost importance. Obviously I’m just speculating about the future but I can easily imagine that as immiseration within America continues, biosphere collapse hastens, and the cost of running empire abroad becomes too high, these kinds of truly anti-Semitic voices are going to be much more mainstream. Fascism is colonization turned inward etc. etc.

  • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    47·
    3 days ago

    just my own speculation analysis, but i think the imperial project cannot separate itself from the entity. while individual characters might try to capitalize on the decoupling of popular support and institutional power–to position themselves for what might come after–i think there will be no steps back from full, constant support for the entity until something much larger buckles: rumors of troop non compliance, entire commands slow rolling compliance with orders for war while the US dollar implodes, large cities engage in rolling work stoppages, federal and state guard commands contested, and US import + forex markets seize. basically, stories bubbling up threatening existential failure of the core.

    i think whatever committees of hands are on the throttle regard the failure of the entity as an inflection point for the successful maintenance of all US occupation and proxy conflicts, as well as the primary geography of overlap between the US’s and the EU’s 21st century neocolonial aspirations.

    not to mention, i think there is something to the omnidirectional interpretation of the Samson Option threats, which would probably plunge the west into even more chaos than the sudden implosion of the currently-redlining US/EU capital and credit markets now keeping the entity’s government and it’s parallel VC feedback loops into the US afloat with emergency loans.

    again this is purely speculation, but in my lifetime i haven’t seen the US act as rapidly, consistently and decisively across all institutions about any of the proxy conflicts, both at home and abroad, as it has about the entity. the anti-boycott laws, the violent suppression of campus protests and summary blacklisting, the complete lack of any basic, even aesthetic-only oppositional narrative anywhere within allowed discourse or among any institutions. this one isn’t even allowed to be a symbolic campaign issue for the psuedo opposition party the way iraq or the GWOT were.

    it all says to me that it’s the endgame. the chips are all pushed in and we are now locked into finding out if the power structure has got the hand to back up the bet… because it sure as shit looks like the global community heard the west’s voice crack and is slowly calling a bluff.

    • darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      27·
      3 days ago

      I’ve read several times now from several thinkers the notion that the Samson option is not just firing nukes at Europe and Arab neighbors plus Iran but actually because of the zionist dominance and intertwining with high tech that they have hidden code, bombs to activate on command which will cause the collapse of modern infrastructure. They’ll take down power systems, medical devices will stop functioning or malfunction, mapping will fail, just all kinds of chaos from them using their positions intertwined with Microsoft, Google, and a ton of other tech companies with zionist intelligence officers that they will bring down the modern world if the west allows them to fall.

      This would be powerful incentive for the western leaders to not move away from the zionists. To do so would require acknowledging this penetration and weakness on a scale far larger than anything they’ve even accused China of and a decade of work methodically searching for and removing it after kicking all the zionist intelligence collaborators (really any zionist occupation company) out of these positions and praying doing so and obviously searching for and trying to disarm this doesn’t make them set it off.

      • Blep [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        17·
        3 days ago

        I refuse to believe other states would let that happen at any meaningful scale. That sounds really goofy especially in comparison to just using the nukes.

        • darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          171·
          2 days ago

          What choice would they have? It’s a mutual suicide pact like the elites abusing children in front of each other for mutual silence and blackmail.

          The US can remotely disable their jet fighters and other military assets they force Europe to buy. “Who would do that, who would accept that” someone like you would cry. And the answer is someone without a choice, who didn’t know better or who thought that the person doing it was their friend and would only use it on their enemies only to realize too late that they expect you to go down with them if you ever flinch in your support.

          Europe is convinced that they support them for guilt over centuries of anti-semitism and that doing so absolves them and makes them morally superior and able to lecture others and I could see Germans saying “yes, please, engineer a gun to point at our head to murder us if we ever dare flinch in our support of you, it’s our penance for the holocaust”.

          So who would do that? White supremacists. Full believers in NATO/US/EU hegemony. Full believers in zionism who are actually all over the place and in many powerful positions and would have gladly helped such a program along so that their successors could not back out, could not have a choice to stop the support of the program, would be forced to carry on the work they believe is right and necessary, locked into that course by their forebears.

          This isn’t something that I think most eyes states are aware of to be honest. And if it is what can they do? Europe is very weakly trying to get some limited tech autonomy and being punched in the face by the US for that and not having much success because it’s a liberal capitalist affair and funding a few open source projects at low levels cannot compete with the years of code and lock-in major American tech suppliers have on the tech stack. Screaming to the world this is happening won’t stop it happening anymore than screaming the zionists have nukes which they don’t officially acknowledge does anything about those. They’re under the gun, they can’t get out easily if at all because their blackmailer may threaten to shoot if they try and remove themselves from their power entirely.

          I mean you’re not informed if you say what you just said. Who would allow the NSA to spy on their leadership as the Germans did unwittingly? When you’re convinced you’re the good guys, your zionist friends are the good guys and they say they’ll do these things for good guy reasons you say yes. Because you’ve already said yes to compromising networks and your own encryption and information services with the NSA and GCHQ through the 14 eyes agreements and continue to cooperate in that even after finding out the Americans were abusing it to spy on you their supposed friend.

  • MetalMachine@feddit.nlEnglish
    81·
    2 days ago

    Though I may not agree with tucker carlson and Candace owens, you have to hand it to them for being independent and having enough brain cells to question Israel and what they’re doing

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      8·
      1 day ago

      Again, this is all a power play by them. When Trump collapses, they’re the only ones that will be able to seek power. The rest of the Republican party is comprised of spinless Trump yes men. Meaning Trump failing collapses their whole thing.

      Carlson and Owens are positioning themselves as the next party leaders

    • Grapho@lemmy.mlEnglish
      311·
      3 days ago

      That’s always been his MO. He leans into the culture war shit for the bulk, but sprinkles in a lot of good old strasserite opportunism. Since his audience doesn’t hear any of the corporate media address this and other stuff (cost of living crisis, for example) he gets more leeway to make shit up.

  • DancingBear@midwest.socialEnglish
    11·
    2 days ago

    There’s no other entity that controls both the republicans and the democrats leadership that has enough power to block the release of the Epstein files other than Israel government and AIPAC…. Kind of makes sense…

    (Not a fan of Cucker Tarlson at all.) Edit: but he’s not stupid

        • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          I mean that the international bourgeoisie is clearly what controls both parties, and Israel is only allowed to do its AIPAC thing because it helps the international bourgeoisie. If any country could simply issue crass bribes in the same way, we’d be speaking Mandarin.

          • DancingBear@midwest.socialEnglish
            1·
            20 hours ago

            I think the other countries, Because of AIPAC, are realizing how easy it is to bribe our politicians through campaign contributions… it’s just that AIPAC figured it out a long time ago.

            • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
              1·
              15 hours ago

              That’s absurd. AIPAC doesn’t just have Jewish magic money knowledge that it took other states 60+ years to analyze. It was permitted to be dolling out bribes because it helped the agenda of the US government’s imperial project on behalf of the international bourgeoisie. The vast majority of other states (ones that exist more independently of the US) trying to do this type of open bribing would simply not be allowed to, and when they attempt to the state intervenes.

              • DancingBear@midwest.socialEnglish
                11·
                13 hours ago

                I can understand what you’re saying about Muslim states for example not being allowed to, but I’m not willing to just accept some ethereal idea of international boohjee people… I get it that yes wealthy people have power and influence and often times their interests align much like poor people’s interests align… but if we are going to talk about this we have to stick with what we know and not use terms like that… makes it sound conspiratorial lol

                Also, it’s becoming way more obvious that Tucker Carlson is on to something the way that the media and the Israel government people and Trump and democrats are fighting it… why do they all agree on this one point that we should ignore it

                • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  1·
                  9 hours ago

                  It’s not just “Muslim states” (the theocracy of which is wildly overstated in many cases, btw), it’s basically every state that isn’t a US puppet, even US allies, that aren’t allowed to do this, and even US puppets like South Korea can’t (and it has the money to).

                  but I’m not willing to just accept some ethereal idea of international boohjee people… I get it that yes wealthy people have power and influence and often times their interests align much like poor people’s interests align… but if we are going to talk about this we have to stick with what we know and not use terms like that…

                  “The international bourgeoisie” is not an equivalent term to “the international Jewry.” The latter is an imagined alliance of the world’s Jews that has no reflection in observable reality beyond Israel itself extending influence (not for the benefit of Jews, but the benefit of the state of Israel under the pretext of benefiting Jews) across the world well after people had started talking about an “international Jewry” with murderous conviction.

                  The international bourgeoisie is an observable thing, and you can look at the countless international organizations that publicly exist for no other purpose, like the World Economic Forum, the Trilateral Commission, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, OECD, etc. etc.

                  The larger bourgeois interests operate internationally, with various branches and offices around the world participating in lobbying to make the policies of various countries more favorable to them, including persuading some countries to help forcibly restructure the economies of others to be friendlier to market penetration by international conglomerates. Like, even most liberals understand that the international bourgeoisie exists, even if they basically don’t care about it at all, because it’s plainly observable. Give me a specific standard of evidence that you would accept and I will meet it if it’s not ridiculous, like a written statement from Bill Gates about how he bribes officials in SE Asia or something.

                  makes it sound conspiratorial lol

                  First, you’re the one saying that a specific foreign country secretly controls the global hegemon. Secondly: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/644286-almost-as-an-article-of-faith-some-individuals-believe-that

                  Also, it’s becoming way more obvious that Tucker Carlson is on to something the way that the media and the Israel government people and Trump and democrats are fighting it… why do they all agree on this one point that we should ignore it

                  They agree on many points, that is one of the main things that I’m trying to communicate. On foreign policy, Trump has been going a little wild this term, but in terms of the broad strokes and goals, they are in complete agreement, and only somewhat disagree on methodology, or they agree even there. See Israel, see Iraq, see Afghanistan, see Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Korea, Granada, all the countries we’ve coup’d, see countless examples. See their opposition to even basic social welfare programs. See their opposition to the advancement of labor rights. How much do I need to go on? Yes, they fight about abortion, and they fight about guns (except when domestic communists get guns, because then Governor Reagan put a stop to it), and they fight about a handful of other issues, but the idea that they are two opposite poles is completely unfounded. Again, I’m happy to take your standard of evidence, though this matter is one liberals are more resistant on despite it honestly being even more obvious, because this one is extremely hostile to their political ideology.

                  Edit: Also, with the Epstein thing, Israel’s involvement is obviously meaningful, but it’s not what you are making it out to be, because the consensus around this issue is based on the bipartisan collaboration of pedophilic politicians, businessmen, celebrities, etc. Of course the Dems are siding with the GOP, they are also culpable!

        • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          81·
          2 days ago

          the comment you posted reads uncomfortably like a “jews rule the world” post. I’m not saying that’s what you meant, I’m saying it kind of seems that way when removed from the context of critique of captialist imperialism, which is what perpetuates Israel

          • DancingBear@midwest.socialEnglish
            34·
            2 days ago

            No. Sorry. Neither you nor Israel gets to use antisemitic arguments accusations, whatever you want to call them anymore.

            This is not my idea. This is Tucker Carlson’s idea.

            This has nothing to do with tropes about Jews controlling the world. The Israeli government is not, nor will it ever be (thank God, if there is one) a spokesperson for the Jewish faith.

            No one who has any sense wants to be a bigot except for people like Netanyahu.

            For years and years, living in the United States, I’ve heard democrats calling every single republican politician who runs for office a racist and a sexist. At a certain point, the word loses its meaning, even if we get a real racist or sexist in power.

            In the case of Netanyahu we have a literal racist, sexist, terrorist as the leader of the Israeli government. He’s a fucking terrorist. He fucking murders babies knowingly and without remorse to bring fear to the Palestine folks while intentionally starving them.

            You seem genuine in your attempt at discussion, I don’t like down voting people I talk to but definitely let me know if or how you disagree.

            I hope you are doing well.

            Edit: oh… if you’re wondering why I’m mentioning the ongoing genocide in Gaza perpetuated by Israeli government you are either intentionally ignorant or you only watch cable news? May not be “you” but just sayin

            • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              1·
              13 hours ago

              lmao what??

              The genocide in israel is a consequence of capitalist western imperialist policy going back to the british founding of “israel” and the aftermath of ww2.

              I have no clue what your point was here. Do you think I like the democrats or republicans, or for that matter netanyahu? I think you’ve got a wildly off base assumption of people’s feelings around here, we do not like either capitalist party in america, and certainly not netanyahu

              There’s no other entity that controls both the republicans and the democrats leadership that has enough power to block the release of the Epstein files other than Israel government and AIPAC

              You said this, not tucker carlson. This is a foolish, flawed analysis that ignores the capitalist hegemony in and for which israel was developed at best, and outright, legitimate, antisemitism at worst.

              That is not a true statement, because it is captialism which controls these systems, not some jewish cabal, which is the only reasonable assumption implied by the words you chose to use

              So wtf??

              • DancingBear@midwest.socialEnglish
                1·
                12 hours ago

                I don’t think the Israeli government or Netanyahu is intentionally being antisemitic if that’s what you’re suggesting. But they are being antisemitic through their obviously racist genocidal policies and statements.

                The backlash of real and genuine antisemitism is going to rise because of these terrorists.

                But if it’s not really that big of a deal they could release the files. I wouldn’t even care about it that much if our media and politicians were not adamantly suggesting we focus on other issues lol.

                But, if you don’t think our congressmen and congresswomen in the United States are bought and paid for by aipac Israeli government interests you’re either ignorant or full of 💩.

                Which one is it? If it is ignorance I’m sure there are plenty of articles on Lemmy that can help you expand your knowledge and grow.

                You are also ignoring my main point that Israel is not Judaism. The Israeli government is currently a terrorist, genocidal, colonial, apartheid government that murders children for no other purpose than to expand their territory, that they incidentally murdered Palestinians to obtain.

                Jews are pretty cool. Israel is not the Jews. Nor will it ever be.

                • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  1·
                  9 hours ago

                  I don’t think the Israeli government or Netanyahu is intentionally being antisemitic if that’s what you’re suggesting.

                  Whaaat? no! I think that the words YOU SAID are antisemetic, and incorrect

                  There’s no other entity that controls both the republicans and the democrats leadership that has enough power to block the release of the Epstein files other than Israel government and AIPAC

                  These words. This is incorrect, you have it backwards. It is capitalism, and the systems which hold it in place, that do these things.

                  You are also ignoring my main point that Israel is not Judaism

                  No I’m not! We agree about that! However, your analysis that Israel is in charge of US capital, is incorrect, and your words are very similar to very common antisemetic bullshit that you see everywhere, often said by people who DO think that israel = all jewish people

                  Jews are pretty cool. Israel is not the Jews. Nor will it ever be.

                  correct

                  The Israeli government is currently a terrorist, genocidal, colonial, apartheid government that murders children for no other purpose than to expand their territory, that they incidentally murdered Palestinians to obtain.

                  correct

                  Idk, I think you and I are just talking past each other here, I am flabbergasted because each of your replies was completely unrelated to the things I was trying to say, not sure if I just fucked up my explanations or WHAT but

              • ClimateStalin [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                11·
                24 hours ago

                Okay but the dog looks like this lately

                I don’t think you can reasonably say at this point that the US’s actions re: Israel are in the US and its empire’s best interests. Israel is far and away the greatest risk to US hegemony and security.

                Allowing (and encouraging) Israel to do what it’s been doing does not make sense if your goal is to prolong and expand American power.

            • BelieveRevolt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              10·
              2 days ago

              I’ve heard democrats calling every single republican politician who runs for office a racist and a sexist

              Republicans are scum and calling them racist and sexist is accurate. You sound like a ”both sides” lib who wants to desperately believe that some Republicans are respectable and/or present racism and sexism as acceptable as long as it’s done in a more muted way.

            • theturtlemoves [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              The issue isn’t what you meant. The issue is how your words might be twisted. Antisemitism - actual antisemitism - might be on the rise now, thanks to Israel’s bloodlust.