Just yesterday I was talking here about Cuomo’s post bragging about being a member of a political dynasty being a sign that Nietzsche won. I think that bastardizing Christianity to the point where the good thing about Jesus isn’t the love, salvation, liberation from sin, and eternal life, but that Jesus is really glorious, is more evidence for that argument.
my recall of early Christianity is that there were sizable schools with followers that didn’t really care much about Jesus as a supernatural being, the stories of these magic shows or even the story of the resurrection itself, but rather thought that his teachings were what mattered. equality, universal love, etc.
the Romans and other already wealthy converts with cool state offices and titles/sinecures said all those people were heretics, had their gatherings banned and tortured many unto death to silence them and eradicate their existence.
so, as far as all the big powerful, hierarchical institutions rife with corruption and abuse are concerned then and now 2000 years later, we can continue to ignore what he said or the context of the historical Jesus and keep focus on the official interpretations of magic and spectacle as recorded by the wealthy pedophiles in their jewels and silk robes.
I don’t really place much stock on this kind of theory (don’t wanna get excommunicated ) but you might like what Michael Hudson has to say on the subject.
Well, naturally, from the Nietzschean perspective it’s salvation from toil and being a slave. To which modern fascists and liberals spit in disgust and say that slaves ought to learn their place.
I think most people that earnestly convert to Christianity probably do so for reasons related to the things I listed; admittedly I don’t know how thoroughly understood the theology about the nature of hell, universalism (hopeful or not), and other finer points are, so I think what you were getting at (that Jesus saves people from a hell of His (well, the Father’s) own creation) might be a contradiction that is commonly believed in.
I don’t think its a contraction for god to punish nonbelievers. Yes a lot of people do follow christianity to avoid hell and get to heaven, among lots of other reasons I’m sure.
I don’t like Nietzsche, but while he favored “master morality,” I think that he argued that it needed to synthesize itself with the greater reflectiveness of “slave morality” to become something better, whereas this is just pure “master morality” with no concept of reflection or anything but yielding to power. I think it would be more accurate to say that Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche and the Nazis won.
Yeah, you’re totally right. I don’t know if you’ve read Really Existing Fascism but I think there’s a sense in which liberalism is the implementation of that synthesis of the reflectiveness of slave morality and the anti-egalitarianism of master morality.
After thinking about it more, I should give your criticism more credit, because a huge thing with Nietzsche was that the Jews were poisoning the noble pagan society and inverting the life-affirming values of antiquity into something oppressive and life-denying, which is something that Nazis could just take bar for bar if they exclude the part where the “poison” in question is Christianity (and that’s basically what they did, they just said that the poison is communism and maybe a general idea of Jewish perversion). You can turn on Fox News at any time of day when they aren’t just taking about the nasdaq and they will be saying basically the same thing but now it’s Muslims, atheists, or some undefined cultural and academic elites who definitely aren’t Jews except for many of them being Jewish. You can also see the same thing said on Dem news whenever they talk about Mamdani.
Just yesterday I was talking here about Cuomo’s post bragging about being a member of a political dynasty being a sign that Nietzsche won. I think that bastardizing Christianity to the point where the good thing about Jesus isn’t the love, salvation, liberation from sin, and eternal life, but that Jesus is really glorious, is more evidence for that argument.
my recall of early Christianity is that there were sizable schools with followers that didn’t really care much about Jesus as a supernatural being, the stories of these magic shows or even the story of the resurrection itself, but rather thought that his teachings were what mattered. equality, universal love, etc.
the Romans and other already wealthy converts with cool state offices and titles/sinecures said all those people were heretics, had their gatherings banned and tortured many unto death to silence them and eradicate their existence.
so, as far as all the big powerful, hierarchical institutions rife with corruption and abuse are concerned then and now 2000 years later, we can continue to ignore what he said or the context of the historical Jesus and keep focus on the official interpretations of magic and spectacle as recorded by the wealthy pedophiles in their jewels and silk robes.
I don’t really place much stock on this kind of theory (don’t wanna get excommunicated
) but you might like what Michael Hudson has to say on the subject.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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Lisan al Gaib!
Salvation from what
Well, naturally, from the Nietzschean perspective it’s salvation from toil and being a slave. To which modern fascists and liberals spit in disgust and say that slaves ought to learn their place.
ah, I thought you were talking about from Jesus’s perspective.
Truly disgusting.
I think most people that earnestly convert to Christianity probably do so for reasons related to the things I listed; admittedly I don’t know how thoroughly understood the theology about the nature of hell, universalism (hopeful or not), and other finer points are, so I think what you were getting at (that Jesus saves people from a hell of His (well, the Father’s) own creation) might be a contradiction that is commonly believed in.
I don’t think its a contraction for god to punish nonbelievers. Yes a lot of people do follow christianity to avoid hell and get to heaven, among lots of other reasons I’m sure.
I don’t like Nietzsche, but while he favored “master morality,” I think that he argued that it needed to synthesize itself with the greater reflectiveness of “slave morality” to become something better, whereas this is just pure “master morality” with no concept of reflection or anything but yielding to power. I think it would be more accurate to say that Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche and the Nazis won.
Yeah, you’re totally right. I don’t know if you’ve read Really Existing Fascism but I think there’s a sense in which liberalism is the implementation of that synthesis of the reflectiveness of slave morality and the anti-egalitarianism of master morality.
I haven’t read it, but I will now.
After thinking about it more, I should give your criticism more credit, because a huge thing with Nietzsche was that the Jews were poisoning the noble pagan society and inverting the life-affirming values of antiquity into something oppressive and life-denying, which is something that Nazis could just take bar for bar if they exclude the part where the “poison” in question is Christianity (and that’s basically what they did, they just said that the poison is communism and maybe a general idea of Jewish perversion). You can turn on Fox News at any time of day when they aren’t just taking about the nasdaq and they will be saying basically the same thing but now it’s Muslims, atheists, or some undefined cultural and academic elites who definitely aren’t Jews except for many of them being Jewish. You can also see the same thing said on Dem news whenever they talk about Mamdani.