Something being AI doesn’t make it bad. And yes AI is bad when it’s US/NVIDIA because it’s bad when it’s owned and controlled by capitalists. AI in socialist economy is good.
You could make that argument just as soon as China actualy becomes a socialist country with a completely worker owned means of production yeah?
As it stands right now, Deepseek does incredibly far more harm than good. It accelerated the progress and view of what models are capable of and while Open Source paradigm is good fundamentaly, it is not in fact a good thing to give more tools and weapons for our enemies. As it stands all the American capitalists have learned from Deepseek and will improve either based on it or learning from what it did.
I warn you to not be overly romanticized by the supposed CPC control of the sector. Remember we already went through this last year, the CPC tried to pass a new regulation on mobile games and gambling and they got pushed back by Tencent and the stock market who basicaly threatened to crash that little economy.
As I repeat, the CPC deserves little trust at this point as they have now often retreated always at the very first sign of trouble or resistence from our enemies.
Deepseek does incredibly far more harm than good. It accelerated the progress and view of what models are capable of and while Open Source paradigm is good fundamentaly, it is not in fact a good thing to give more tools and weapons for our enemies
it does not. AI existing doesn’t make it good or bad, which is the premise of your argument, and i don’t agree with it at all. and an open source model is far better than a closed source model owned and controlled by my enemies. open source models democratizes the AI, and gives control to the workers far more than the “enemies”.
Ok so we have nothing to talk about, you are purposely forgetting how AI models were created in the first place just to argue.
Yes talk about democratization of AI when both US and the rest of the world completely skipped over the moral argument over AI training without consent. None of this AI would exist if “democratic” principles were even relevant in the first place. We failed the moral guideline check on the very first hurdle already.
All you’re saying is workers need to take yet another L and compromise, “hey we know this is all built without your consent and with stolen data but hey AI is here now so maybe its not that bad if we promised not to do something even more evil with it.”
Your initial proposal was AI under a socialist system. Yeah I have better dreams to put myself to sleep.
Something being AI doesn’t make it bad. And yes AI is bad when it’s US/NVIDIA because it’s bad when it’s owned and controlled by capitalists. AI in socialist economy is good.
You could make that argument just as soon as China actualy becomes a socialist country with a completely worker owned means of production yeah?
As it stands right now, Deepseek does incredibly far more harm than good. It accelerated the progress and view of what models are capable of and while Open Source paradigm is good fundamentaly, it is not in fact a good thing to give more tools and weapons for our enemies. As it stands all the American capitalists have learned from Deepseek and will improve either based on it or learning from what it did.
I warn you to not be overly romanticized by the supposed CPC control of the sector. Remember we already went through this last year, the CPC tried to pass a new regulation on mobile games and gambling and they got pushed back by Tencent and the stock market who basicaly threatened to crash that little economy.
As I repeat, the CPC deserves little trust at this point as they have now often retreated always at the very first sign of trouble or resistence from our enemies.
it does not. AI existing doesn’t make it good or bad, which is the premise of your argument, and i don’t agree with it at all. and an open source model is far better than a closed source model owned and controlled by my enemies. open source models democratizes the AI, and gives control to the workers far more than the “enemies”.
Ok so we have nothing to talk about, you are purposely forgetting how AI models were created in the first place just to argue. Yes talk about democratization of AI when both US and the rest of the world completely skipped over the moral argument over AI training without consent. None of this AI would exist if “democratic” principles were even relevant in the first place. We failed the moral guideline check on the very first hurdle already.
All you’re saying is workers need to take yet another L and compromise, “hey we know this is all built without your consent and with stolen data but hey AI is here now so maybe its not that bad if we promised not to do something even more evil with it.”
Your initial proposal was AI under a socialist system. Yeah I have better dreams to put myself to sleep.