Apparently I’m now a shitlib for not buying into this disgusting tankie propaganda that it was all the Wests fault and Stalin had to ally with Hitler.
For a mod who loves to ban others for bad jacketing, they sure have no problem doing it to other anarchists.
The Ban:
The Context:
Just remember, whenever you read, “social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism,” you are reading part of the justification for why the USSR should sign a treaty with Nazi Germany. The actual justifications for this are complicated, I think it is actually not completely straightforward such as “Nazis bad, treaty with Nazis make USSR fascist.” However that is exactly the sort of campist and obscurative reasoning that Stalin tries to make. The argument was not “the USSR is still critically underdeveloped next to the most industrially advanced country in Europe, and we need some time to industrialize before we can oppose European fascism.” It was, “The social democrats in Europe are worse than Nazis, so the Nazis need time to crush their moderate wing.”
You can kind of understand the Real Politic of Stalin. It’s the same justification for the endless purges of his political enemies. I think that the historical basis for authoritarianism extends beyond the “great man.” But the guy was probably the greatest historical revisionist of the last 150 years. Both his enemy Leon Trotsky and Trotsky’s one-time secretary Reya Dunayevskaya meticulously documented how Stalin had history literally rewritten to make him seem like a more revolutionary figure than he was.
I recognize that Trotsky doesn’t have a good rapport with anarchists, nor should he, after 1921. But If any leftist tradition “weighs like a nightmare on the minds of the living,” it is the legacy Stalinism.
Calling this one a PTB, it’s not a shitlib thing to not ask the USSR to have not temporarily partnered with Nazi Germany.
Sorry but this is PTB. Criticizing Stalin and the USSR doesn’t make one a liberal. Wtf.
Repeating the same tired attacks on Soviet history is definitely one of the first go tos in the liberal debate playbook on anti communism.
Just for context, won’t really engage further with this: I take 0 issue with people criticizing Stalin, the USSR etc. I’m not a Stalinist, ML nor MLM.
It was only for that specific insulting comment and claiming the USSR outright allied with fascist Germany. Literally every day that kept Germany from fully carrying out Generalplan Ost and Operation Barbarossa in general saved countless lives and allowed for proper industrialisation, later allowing a war effort at all.
I do not have any interest in engaging with people using that tone and straying from proper discussion (again, 0 problems with people trying to discuss things even if erroneous) and do not want them part of the com, it’s as shrimple as that.
I took no issue with OP of that specific thread.
You banned me for being a shitlib, not for being ‘insulting’.
Because it read like a shitlib take ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: and shitlibs usually are insulting too
PTB, Defending stalin for siding with nazis is crazy
I love how all tankie defense boils down to “dO yOuR OwN ReSeArCh”
They are too exhausted by all their research to form proper arguments. 🙂↕️
I’m banned from there for publicly calling out one of the mods for covertly supporting the American right-wing. I deserve the ban, let’s be clear, I intentionally went out of my way to spam warnings across the community. That said, the moderation of that comm seems to be getting worse since I was last there.
PTB.
There was way more nuance to the situation. The moderator linked a summary of the false equivalence, as well as the extra context.
you showed up to be like: “fucked up, tankie defending Nazi alliance” as if history began and ended in 1939.
YDI, I can see how you ended up a ‘world news’ moderator though
PTB. Would be nice to have the ability to vote ban them.
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