It’s both. This is what they wanted to do anyway. The plan was clearly already mostly drafted and agreed to. But they needed the right moment. The murder was that moment.
If the same murder happened in 72 days, these things happening now wouldn’t be happening until 72 days from now.
But they needed the right moment. The murder was that moment.
That’s kinda my point though: they could have simply manufactured “the right moment”. Hell, they could have even presenting literally nothing as the right moment. They have control over the propaganda machines.
If the same murder happened in 72 days, these things happening now wouldn’t be happening until 72 days from now.
Yeah I’m not with you on the timeline here. Maybe a week at best. The capitalists are quickly remembering that what they can do to us in their system is functionally independent from the will of its subjects.
If they could just manufacture the right moment at any time, why didn’t it happen the first week of Trump’s term in Jan or, at least, in Feb? They waited for some reason. What is the reason?
Logistics - for example, it takes time to hire the people the government needs to have to perform domestic oppression at an increased scale, i.e. they need more cops and ICE agents. And they probably have identified that some things need to be done in sequences (or more generically there’s a graph-like dependence), so they can’t just go immediately to the worst possible things.
Lack of collective vision. Simply, the people currently in power are more self-interested than they are interested in their collective political project.
They probably still do think that there is something they can do that would push Americans over the edge…but they’re slowly realizing that’s only vanishingly the case. I.e. I don’t reject that Americans can literally be pushed into action, but it would take a severe perturbation of comfort for Americans to actually get moving. Frankly…an unrealistic perturbation.
I brought up disaster capitalism in a different thread last night and I think that’s the ticket for this. It’s not that they were sitting around waiting on a moment. You don’t waste time trying to predict moments like this. You maintain a relative state of readiness for anything and when something like this happens, you pounce and milk it for all you can. Even they don’t know what affordances Kirk’s death will provide. They’re experimenting. That’s why it’s quickly morphing into this weird catch-all cause. Somehow military recruitment, late night TV, transgender rights, AI grifts, and social media are all tied into this. The somehow is that there are different groups who have different goals and interests beyond the general goal of maintaining capital control. They’re all trying to figure out what this will let them get away with. Can we re-align late night TV so our constituents aren’t hearing how shit we are? Maybe. Can we take a moment to stomp on trans rights some more? We’ll try. Can we get some more police drones that scan public events? Might as well, it’ll stop another Charlie from happening.
The dude’s corpse is being divided up and mashed into oil for all these different machines. It is related even though it’s not actually related, if that makes sense. They weren’t waiting on a moment and they also aren’t able to do it without a moment because opportunism requires an opportunity.
You maintain a relative state of readiness for anything and when something like this happens, you pounce and milk it for all you can.
In Kwame Ture’s autobiography, he has a quote from an organizer who said that you stay ready so you don’t have to get ready. It’s the same exact thing that orgs need to completely internalize. If you’re waiting for the revolutionary momentTM to come before acting, you will be nowhere close to seizing the opportunity when it actually happens. The George Floyd uprising was a revolutionary moment. And absolutely no org was even close to turning that opportunity into something far greater than what it turned out. Now imagine if there was an org on par with the BPP at its height in 2020 that simultaneously had the ability to wage war against the pigs on top of providing political education that inoculate the masses from the cringey recuperation shit that the Democrats successfully pulled off.
The Epstein connection. That story, whatever the libs tried to rile up before, is well buried now. Nobody’s gonna remember it anymore. Trump got the distraction he needed.
There was nothing happening with Epstein before Kirk was shot. We had gotten to the point where the only thing was a release of unspecified documents, which was a long shot. This is months after the FBI and AG had already gotten hold of it all and redacted it or destroyed stuff. The release was halted in the House before Kirk was shot. The Senate halted release 3 hours after Kirk was shot. Even if the docs were released, then what? Who is going to arrest Trump? Who is going to prosecute him? The AG that helped him redact the docs? His FBI lapdog?
I’m Epstein-pilled but it just doesn’t connect for me. Even the news had mostly stopped covering it. There was supposed to be this big reckoning when Congress came back into session this month but it didn’t happen. They came back and blocked the release of the files. Trump simply wasn’t in any political or legal danger. I too thought he would be for a minute but then reality hits. We all moved on from JFK and 9/11 too.
The capitalists never forgot it. They didn’t need to remember.
I agree with you IF these people are on a tight timeline. I am not sure that they are. They have 3 more years based on the political cycle. But, this could be a timeline driven by the midterms, which is reasonable.
It could also be a timeline driven by foreign actors, or by economic forces.
My sense, though, is that things are not as well coordinated as the Truman Show and instead they make plans for various things and execute them when the appropriate trigger arrives.
Honestly, it could be true that both a) they got Kirk killed and b) they were waiting for it to happen before acting. They have a vast network of decrentalized right wing peppers and could have easily seeded this action out to them and just waited until it happened.
We’re spending a lot of time here trying to figure out if it was the toaster or coffee maker which started the fire while ignoring the gas leak. At a certain point the situation becomes so volatile a fart can set it off.
It’s both. This is what they wanted to do anyway. The plan was clearly already mostly drafted and agreed to. But they needed the right moment. The murder was that moment.
If the same murder happened in 72 days, these things happening now wouldn’t be happening until 72 days from now.
That’s kinda my point though: they could have simply manufactured “the right moment”. Hell, they could have even presenting literally nothing as the right moment. They have control over the propaganda machines.
Yeah I’m not with you on the timeline here. Maybe a week at best. The capitalists are quickly remembering that what they can do to us in their system is functionally independent from the will of its subjects.
for all we know, they did manufacture this, or this kid is a patsy and there was an israeli sniper or some wild shit, who knows!
What we do know is that something happening was inevitable
If they could just manufacture the right moment at any time, why didn’t it happen the first week of Trump’s term in Jan or, at least, in Feb? They waited for some reason. What is the reason?
IMO there are three convincing explanations:
I brought up disaster capitalism in a different thread last night and I think that’s the ticket for this. It’s not that they were sitting around waiting on a moment. You don’t waste time trying to predict moments like this. You maintain a relative state of readiness for anything and when something like this happens, you pounce and milk it for all you can. Even they don’t know what affordances Kirk’s death will provide. They’re experimenting. That’s why it’s quickly morphing into this weird catch-all cause. Somehow military recruitment, late night TV, transgender rights, AI grifts, and social media are all tied into this. The somehow is that there are different groups who have different goals and interests beyond the general goal of maintaining capital control. They’re all trying to figure out what this will let them get away with. Can we re-align late night TV so our constituents aren’t hearing how shit we are? Maybe. Can we take a moment to stomp on trans rights some more? We’ll try. Can we get some more police drones that scan public events? Might as well, it’ll stop another Charlie from happening.
The dude’s corpse is being divided up and mashed into oil for all these different machines. It is related even though it’s not actually related, if that makes sense. They weren’t waiting on a moment and they also aren’t able to do it without a moment because opportunism requires an opportunity.
In Kwame Ture’s autobiography, he has a quote from an organizer who said that you stay ready so you don’t have to get ready. It’s the same exact thing that orgs need to completely internalize. If you’re waiting for the revolutionary momentTM to come before acting, you will be nowhere close to seizing the opportunity when it actually happens. The George Floyd uprising was a revolutionary moment. And absolutely no org was even close to turning that opportunity into something far greater than what it turned out. Now imagine if there was an org on par with the BPP at its height in 2020 that simultaneously had the ability to wage war against the pigs on top of providing political education that inoculate the masses from the cringey recuperation shit that the Democrats successfully pulled off.
The Epstein connection. That story, whatever the libs tried to rile up before, is well buried now. Nobody’s gonna remember it anymore. Trump got the distraction he needed.
There was nothing happening with Epstein before Kirk was shot. We had gotten to the point where the only thing was a release of unspecified documents, which was a long shot. This is months after the FBI and AG had already gotten hold of it all and redacted it or destroyed stuff. The release was halted in the House before Kirk was shot. The Senate halted release 3 hours after Kirk was shot. Even if the docs were released, then what? Who is going to arrest Trump? Who is going to prosecute him? The AG that helped him redact the docs? His FBI lapdog?
I’m Epstein-pilled but it just doesn’t connect for me. Even the news had mostly stopped covering it. There was supposed to be this big reckoning when Congress came back into session this month but it didn’t happen. They came back and blocked the release of the files. Trump simply wasn’t in any political or legal danger. I too thought he would be for a minute but then reality hits. We all moved on from JFK and 9/11 too.
The capitalists never forgot it. They didn’t need to remember.
I agree with you IF these people are on a tight timeline. I am not sure that they are. They have 3 more years based on the political cycle. But, this could be a timeline driven by the midterms, which is reasonable.
It could also be a timeline driven by foreign actors, or by economic forces.
My sense, though, is that things are not as well coordinated as the Truman Show and instead they make plans for various things and execute them when the appropriate trigger arrives.
Honestly, it could be true that both a) they got Kirk killed and b) they were waiting for it to happen before acting. They have a vast network of decrentalized right wing peppers and could have easily seeded this action out to them and just waited until it happened.
disagree.
some other shit would have been an opportunity sooner than that. or they’d just make something up or they’d just do it.
I mean, sure there would probably be an event earlier than 72 days later. It could have been a different event though.
Let’s not forget this event had nothing to do with transgender people. They were going to do this regardless.
As I said. They had plans already. They were just waiting for a spark. Any spark.
We’re spending a lot of time here trying to figure out if it was the toaster or coffee maker which started the fire while ignoring the gas leak. At a certain point the situation becomes so volatile a fart can set it off.
I think maybe 20 or 30 percent of this stuff would have happened by now, but this has given them an excuse to accelerate