• loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 days ago

    In response to:

    The question is, why should the opinions of the largely impartial UN and human rights scholars be weighed equally to the obviously partisan opinions of commentators and governments?

    Jimbo says:

    Because that’s what neutrality demands.

    Lmao

    • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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      But his neutral example wording makes it sound like most say it’s not a genocide not actually expressing in a neural way who’s arguing, or presenting facts on how it’s a genocide. He makes it sound like it’s still debatable

  • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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    Oh this is some good slop! I love that the Wikipedia nerds are in there doing what they do best (being pedantic rules lawyers), with a good proportion of them arguing against good ol’ Jimbo, in their infuriating, pedantic way.

    Very good stuff, thanks for sharing!

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    There is a special treat of an Israeli who laments that after 15 years of volunteering on Wikipedia they’ve had to stop because the mental trauma of seeing their articles treated so poorly. They’ve been personally accused of genocide (probably in private messages yeah but not by the articles themselves lol) because they served proudly in the IDF.

    They then proceeded to complain about how even the Israel inventions and discoveries page has been torn away them. To which someone familiar with the user reminds them that they were attributing far too many inventions and discoveries to Israel when they were mostly improvements on existing inventions. lol, what a loser.

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    Lmao the arguments made in the first discussion are basically saying “if they didn’t get bombed then they aren’t killed by ‘israel’”.

    Weird how the same argument isn’t used for the holocaust though very interesting

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    For all the comparisons made, I’m surprised no one brought up how the mere existence/human attributility of climate change was “highly disputed” while “97-99 percente of climate scientists say man-made climate change is real”, because businesses and politicians said: “nuh-uh”. That kind of discrepancy between political and academic consensus is playing out with Gaza too.

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    honestly that article is shocking to me (in a good way). It goes to show how universal the understanding of this genocide is becoming if even wiki editors are this uncompromising

    Admittedly, it wouldn’t be offensive to put an acknowledgement of the israeli denials in the 2nd or 3rd paragraph somewhere, as they do on other genocide pages, it is part of the picture even if it is clearly lies, but clearly that would not be near enough to satisfy jimmy nor the zionist journalists in his ear, so why even offer to adopt the thin end of that wedge.

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      israeli denials

      It’ll never not be ridiculous to me that the evidence that Israel isn’t committing genocide is…because Israel told the international community they aren’t (I WAS going to just say because Israel said they aren’t, but they HAVE said they will, just to their own public). Reporters are seriously saying ‘Israel would deny that claim of genocide’; like yeah of course they would; how many nations committing genocide would just announce to the world ‘yes we’re committing genocide’?

      • reader [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Yeah it’s wild. And you know, as an encyclopedia, I can see tossing it in for completeness. Then when you read the article and see “wow basically the only ones of any authority denying this are the israeli state themselves” it is still immediately obvious which is actually the truth.