While I hope that I’m wrong, there is at least a very real possibility that in the immediate future, the US empire will launch an unprovoked and immoral attack on a socialist state (Venezuela) in order to secure that country’s resources. It is understandable that, should that happen, many of you will be feeling extreme anger at these acts and post about it here.
In light of that, the admins and mods of Hexbear figured we’d remind everyone:
No fedposting
That includes, but is not limited to, talking about threats of violence against people or groups of people; including if you add “in minecraft” or “[redacted]”.
We really don’t need to come under fed scrutiny (or worse). Ultimately, fed posting doesn’t even serve much purpose other than “blowing off steam” – and that comes at the cost of potentially putting the site and its users in legal jeopardy. There are more productive ways to vent that anger.
Also, if you end up having a comment removed for fed posting, I’d urge you to not take it personally.
And saying this as a user, not an admin: a little revolutionary optimism never hurt anyone. We must have clear eyes about reality, but as socialists we also should have faith in the power of people to resist oppression.
(Edited for grammar)
Damn. We should ban Alaskaball for thirsting then
Anyways, as long as there’s no actual fedposting, take it from this horses mouth you’ll be Gucci
I’m not too concerned about what I can and can’t say now regarding Luigi Mangione. I think we all at this point wouldn’t bat an eye at anyone “lionizing” him as described in the rule announcement post. But I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t still grate on me every time I’m reminded of it and that it technically is still a rule.
I don’t mean to stir months old shit, but I still bring it up because I don’t feel like it was ever rectified. Like one of those things all the involved (users and mods and admins) just tiptoed away from after it became more and more apparent how bad of a rule it was and how messed up some of the mod actions were around it (see below). It was a problem that never got addressed, and the rule is to my understanding technically still in place. I’ll put a spoiler tag on the rest to make it easy to ignore for anyone who doesn’t care and to not further derail OP’s discussion of fedposting. But it still is important in my opinion to acknowledge what went down, and it does have actual relevance here where we’re talking about potentially new rules on what constitutes fedposting.
spoiler
You said it was news to you that it was still a rule, but it is still a rule, isn’t it? Just not one that gets enforced anymore.
The rule announcement, that I linked to in a previous comment, was made by an admin of the site, not just a moderator. I think it’s safe to say it even became something of a struggle session. She may have mostly forgotten it at this point, I don’t know, but I think @Awoo@hexbear.net would attest to it. Below is the text that still sits as just a Removed by Mod comment with 92 upvotes that you see a couple comments down if you follow the rule announcement I linked above. (92 upvotes on a removed comment. I wonder what the record holder is on Hexbear for upvotes on a removed comment, I would bet that one’s in the running.)
If that’s too hard to read and opening it up in a new tab doesn’t work, you can see it here https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=430 since it’s not like Awoo has much in the modlog. (The supposed DM harassment also turned out to be a bogus excuse). I’m assuming you don’t mind me pointing this out and tagging you, Awoo. I’ll delete it in a second if you want me to.
I just really hate it when this sort of thing comes up around what is considered permissible speech here and the whole Luigi lionization episode slash struggle session is pushed aside or memory holed. Especially when that rule, as far as I am aware, still stands.
At this point I think the only thing going for it is the argument that he might not be the person who did it. In which case any lionization is essentially also the belief that he did it.
With that said, I think there is a struggle that needs to happen around this topic. On one side you have people arguing that such action doesn’t amount to anything, but on the other side I argue that it did, it marked a complete turning point in people’s view of violence. Before luigi you would NEVER get a liberal to admit political violence is necessary or good. After Luigi? Well that shit has changed. And not just in america, it rippled through views and the way people speak in europe too.
You want a revolution? You need the population, ALL the population, to believe in violence. These actions are a pre-requisite to revolutionary action as a whole.
The “DM harassment” was not really an excuse though. I did DM someone to argue my corner. I made mistakes in that whole thing too. Just turned out to be some other slimy shit going on that absolved me in the end when it was discovered people involved were US troops.
Many such cases!
Mmm hexbear is not immune to infiltration or ops
I’ll say it more clearly. Porkrollposadist is not a site admin. This so-called site rule was not made by an agreement with agreement by multiple admins. The admin involved was repudiated for their decision behind closed doors. Awoo was both unbanned and restored to her previous positions. The only point I will agree to is that there was no public repudiation of the rule and that is purely because it is literally more trouble than it is worth to reopen struggle sessions.
I think most of the instigators in that shitshow are gone at this point. Frauddog deleted their account in shame after being outed as a vet. /c/gossip is no more (I’m lumping “we can’t lionizeTM Luigi” together with the whole /c/the_dunk_tank debacle because the two struggle sessions involved the same people both pro and con). Lyudmila, the last defender of /c/gossip’s existence also deleted her account presumably in protest over the closing of /c/gossip among other things.
Once the site gets rid of this anti-lionizing rule, the site can finally move on.