While I hope that I’m wrong, there is at least a very real possibility that in the immediate future, the US empire will launch an unprovoked and immoral attack on a socialist state (Venezuela) in order to secure that country’s resources. It is understandable that, should that happen, many of you will be feeling extreme anger at these acts and post about it here.
In light of that, the admins and mods of Hexbear figured we’d remind everyone:
No fedposting
That includes, but is not limited to, talking about threats of violence against people or groups of people; including if you add “in minecraft” or “[redacted]”.
We really don’t need to come under fed scrutiny (or worse). Ultimately, fed posting doesn’t even serve much purpose other than “blowing off steam” – and that comes at the cost of potentially putting the site and its users in legal jeopardy. There are more productive ways to vent that anger.
Also, if you end up having a comment removed for fed posting, I’d urge you to not take it personally.
And saying this as a user, not an admin: a little revolutionary optimism never hurt anyone. We must have clear eyes about reality, but as socialists we also should have faith in the power of people to resist oppression.
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Yeah. Never threaten anyone.
Why would you give them warning lmao
I like to challenge my opponents to combat so I can face them at their best. Makes the fight better
I cant renounce violence but I never plan to do violence. Sometime it’s just the darhmic thing to do
on the other hand maybe that’s why i cant fight for shit lmao. I just do it when im cornered
Anyone can fight you just need to find something worth fighting for. Training with saiyans helps.
yeah apparently there’s secret fight clubs here with antifascists and fascists just doing it. Guy in the last detention was wearing a mouthguard that said ANTIFA lmao. Actually a national boxing champion
i mean better than the streets i guess.
but honestly my skillz are elsewhere, i can be more useful to the struggle developing them.
the safest most effective way to fedpost is by writing your fedposts down on a piece of paper and then sending that directly to the president via the USPS
Make sure to put the pads of your finger tips cleanly and firmly all over the paper to ensure the feds know you’re a professional fedposter
don’t forget to cut out each letter individually from magazines with different fonts and then glue them together onto the page
death to whom exactly is left as an exercise for the reader.
I like death, vaguely
Yeah, as much as it pains me to say it’s probably best to protect comrades on here and stop them from fedposting and getting sent to fucking CECOT. I know HB made a name for itself from reddit by allowing much looser speech but you have to weigh if it’s worth it to fly off the cuff and wish death on someone in the moment, or have an ounce of protection to stop someone from ruining their life.
I think it would be good to set some real parameters here on what makes a comment a fedpost. There’s a difference between wishing death on someone and making an explicit threat to a specific individuals life (aka actionable threat). Can I not say I wish Netanyahu would just fucking die? Can I not say I wish Trump were killed by a foreign state power? Can I not say I wish Gavin Newsom never makes it to the 2028 election due to an unforseen accident? Seriously, I’m not saying those things, really, I’m only asking if I can.
The heinous stuff we said on reddit that made us notorious was “slave owners should be killed.” That’s not fedposting. I really fucking hope we will always get to say that and things like it, even things like as mentioned Death to America. I can’t imagine HB ever mandating that we can’t, at least not until the fascists cracking down all over the net really kicks into high gear. But at that point, I feel like it wouldn’t really be Hexbear anymore.
It really does come down to keeping this place as a site and community safe and functional and even more so keeping the users here safe in general. So clear boundaries on what is and what isn’t considered fedposting would be an important thing for us to establish, and it might even need to change as the slide into more overt fascism continues apace.
Agreed but I never thought Hexbear would have done something as cringe as banning the “Lionization of Luigi”. Not Hexbear’s finest hour.
And that rule still stands.
It does? That’s news to me.
It is news to you that the rule still stands? Well I could be wrong but it would be news to me if it had been retracted.
It was never an admin-agreee policy. Like at most I would zap someone for posting something like a list of addresses to CEOs houses while using a picture of Luigi as the thumbnail image.
Thirst-posting, news posting, bickering over whether or not anything has particularly changed since then, or even thirst-posting him while saying he’s both innocent and being used as a scapegoat, I would say is free game.
I’m not sure how involved you were at the time, but there were plenty of people simply saying positive things about him, no worse than like “Luigi Rocks!” and getting their comments removed for it. You may have had a more understandable policy for how you enforced it, but the rule was made for silly reasons. The thing is, that rule was made for the purpose of removing posts and banning repeat offenders that held him up as a person who had done a good thing. But he is a person who did a good thing.
thirst-posting him while saying he’s both innocent and being used as a scapegoat, I would say is free game.
Thirst posting is always removed, as it should be. But one of the mods, former now, who was also enforcing the anti-lionization rule was doing so because they believed, still do apparently, that he was innocent and being used as a scapegoat.
Thirst posting is always removed, as it should be.
Damn. We should ban Alaskaball for thirsting then
Anyways, as long as there’s no actual fedposting, take it from this horses mouth you’ll be Gucci
I think it was discussed that the rule wasnt really being imposed a couple of months after the fact, but I don’t remember it being a pinned post or anything obvious like that. May have even just been a comment that I saw somewhere. But makes sense if you didnt see it I am just… Way too online lol
I just think we shouldn’t cause he’s innocent
Yeah pretty much, like saying “Death to the IDF” I’d imagine is fine, or Death to America, but I’d say no to “someone should shoot Elon Musk in the face with a high powered rifle”, if that makes sense.
That makes perfect sense, yes. I just think it would be a good idea if in the “no fedposting rule” we defined precisely what the differences are between those two statements. Just so it’s very clear to everyone where exactly the Trevor Line is on this site.
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I mean you’re probably right, but not everyone on here is from the US, right?
Yeah we have an international community, but afaik the admins can’t see ip addresses and locations?
Admins could always reverse that policy or, much more likely, configure something wrong accidentally, and easily expose IPs. With the way the internet works the sender IP is always “leaked”, it is just a matter of how careful the recipient is with the information. You should use precautions to avoid exposure but then act like you don’t have any, as none of them are foolproof.
Yeah but they can make clearer rules that make sense outside of an American context, especially when it comes to protecting the site and admins.
Doubt the feds here will start an investigation for joking about blowing Elon’s head off. But you might get into trouble for wishing misfortune on the IDF or even just talking about freeing Palestine between bodies of water.
Well imagine you’re joking, you’re joking, and then somebody actually does it.
Honestly even intels probably dont have unlimited funding given our overlord are hoarding all the money so you’d prolly go through the nets but why tease the devil
They can.
Not only that but their provider can unless they host the website on a good old server on somebody’s desk.
If you’re slightly computer-savyy I think the best option is to rent a vps in a random country and put wireguard VPN.
They can.
Lemmy doesn’t log IPs anywhere so they’re not associated with an account.
Lemmy maybe, but what about the OS or architecture? This can be broken through temporal attack. They could know what IP connects when and cross that with the actual posting.
Not trying to fearmonger ofc. But it’s to be considered.
You’re absolutely right, of course. I think (hopefully) the admins configured the web server to not log IP addresses, so compromising the server at least wouldn’t retroactively leak user IPs.
If you’re slightly computer-savyy I think the best option is to rent a vps in a random country and put wireguard VPN.
Better to use a VPN provider in a favorable jurisdiction so you’re sharing an IP with others and there are legal barriers.
unsure. Legal barriers arent the only barriers and rule of law only goes so far. I mean VPNs are giving informations all the time.
Maybe we should do hexbear VPN. best of both
I mean VPNs are giving informations all the time.
True (depending on the VPN), but also true of VPS providers.
True. The only solution is a solar panel, rotating bitcoin paid e-sim card and a rasp. The silkroad way
US jurisdiction is not a concept I would trust
Not news
my fedposts!A lotta y’all still don’t get it.
Fedposters can use multiple slurp juices on a single death threat
So if you have one actionable call to violence and 3 slurp juices, you can create 3 new pretexts for the FBI
Death, deathIncremental change by committee over decades to the IDF!Not what’s being said. Death death to the IDF is not a clear or actionable threat so it’s fine.
It’s an implication of violence and will get you arrested in the UK if you’re Joe Public.
Being polite isn’t going to stop feds from tracking down anyone they want to track down and kill/enslave/deport. The Biden administration already declared that anticapitalism is terrorism.
It won’t stop them if targeting Hexbear specifically is what they decide to do, but it’ll probably keep us off their radar a lot longer.
I should add this isn’t based on any specific comments or posts here, just a proactive statement in case something terrible like I mentioned above does happen.
I only fedpost in Minecraft
Okay I know I’ve been doing it a lot lately. I’ll cool it off, feel free to wipe anything.
Times like these are when you must carry the burden of being right. Why be angry when you can be correct?
Talk with your liberal friends and relatives. Point out the material interests of US involvement, then wait for Trump to blurt it all out on TruSus. Watch as reactions go from :smuglord: to :lisan-al-gaib:
Liberals need time to be cooked, and :cool-zone: moments are when the heat is turned up.
Understood, from now on I will say “in Garry’s Mod” instead
※ This is an American joke
Is Death to Amerikkka fedposting?
I will keep saying it.
I have made a fedpost.
You make me want to cry. That’s (In my opinion) kind of dangerous. But even so, I do respect YOUR opinion. I will make another.Death to Amerikkka isn’t a fed enough post for me. No, I am going to kill Amerikkka. The whole thing. That’s not a threat, it’s a promise.
Are “Down with ICE/any horrible US government agency” posts subject to moderation?
No
No kings! -> banned
We stan our Danish, Dutch, English, uh… what others… Spanish?.. Why does Belgium have a king its a fucking tiny ass sliver of land?.. nah fuck the Sweds and their monarch… also honorable mentions to Andorra, Liechtenstein, Monaco, and the uncool Luxembourg. Also the pope if you want to be technical.
Don’t forget Salman
He’s like kinda sorta friends with Trump so he doesn’t get the free pass
