William Luther Pierce, author of the Turner Diaries and face of the American Neonazi movement for a time, was a vile fascist fuck but he at least had enough self-awareness to understand he hated the vast majority of white people (hence why his famous “work” involves the extermination of most of them along with Jews and non-whites). These people, on the other hand, are deluded enough to post this slop and not understand how alone they are. Ultimately, all racism comes down to misanthropy but this just makes it obvious. (Plus, it’s funny to go on about how much you hate brown/black people and white people who don’t see them as animals but then moralize about Zionists murdering brown kids)
I’d almost feel sorry for them if I didn’t want to see them get
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I’m “her Marxist professors”. Same Marxists who have never had a job btw.
believes workers should all be paid the same
wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
The kind of socialism under which everybody would get the same pay, an equal quantity of meat and an equal quantity of bread, would wear the same clothes and receive the same goods in the same quantities — such a socialism is unknown to Marxism.
All that Marxism says is that until classes have been finally abolished and until labor has been transformed from a means of subsistence into the prime want of man, into voluntary labor for society, people will be paid for their labor according to the work performed. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.” Such is the Marxist formula of socialism, i.e., the formula of the first stage of communism, the first stage of communist society.
Only at the higher stage of communism, only in its higher phase, will each one, working according to his ability, be recompensed for his work according to his needs. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”
It is quite clear that people’s needs vary and will continue to vary under socialism. Socialism has never denied that people differ in their tastes, and in the quantity and quality of their needs. Read how Marx criticized Stirner for his leaning towards equalitarianism; read Marx’s criticism of the Gotha Programme of 1875; read the subsequent works of Marx, Engels and Lenin, and you will see how sharply they attack equalitarianism. Equalitarianism owes its origin to the individual peasant type of mentality, the psychology of share and share alike, the psychology of primitive peasant “communism.” Equalitarianism has nothing in common with Marxist socialism. Only people who are unacquainted with Marxism can have the primitive notion that the Russian Bolsheviks want to pool all wealth and then share it out equally. That is the notion of people who have nothing in common with Marxism. That is how such people as the primitive “communists” of the time of Cromwell and the French Revolution pictured communism to themselves. But Marxism and the Russian Bolsheviks have nothing in common with such equalitarian “communists.”
There was at least some sort of belief, at least in the later years of the Soviet Union, that eventually they’d reach the point of flattening wages across the board. I do not, however, know what the specific form of that they imagined was or how earnest this belief was - I only know of it from it being mentioned as one of the hair-brained ideas Gorbachev tried after he ran out of Andropov’s ongoing reforms to finish and had to start thinking for himself, and that like his push to curb alcohol consumption it had rather bad results and undermined public trust in the CPSU.
I don’t believe even that ill-conceived version was meant to go as far as “everyone gets paid the same” though, just a further closing of income inequality which was already extremely low compared to any capitalist country.
Nah, I like that though.
It’s the number one biggest misconception about communism and it’s great to point out it to people early on when they tell you why communism can’t work, because it’s usually the only thing they have as an arguement and it stops them dead
“Yes, good. Do you think your boss should make more than you? What do they even do?”
What about people who do very undesirable, dangerous or stressful jobs, like paramedics, nurses, sanitary workers, that sort of thing? I think they deserve to earn more. CEOs can burn in hell, but there are plenty of jobs that deserve higher renumeration than say a cushy desk job
Paramedics are poorly paid in America. Nurses are paid far less than they are worth in most states.
I have driven an ambulance and I was making less money than the server at a restaurant. Money wasn’t the factor there. In most places you got paid less for the more dangerous assignments and people fought for those ppositions just so they could be part of the action.
Actual management is important to any organization. If you got the same wage doing that as you did for any other role it would get done by some other way than pure averice. Like, if you have ever worked at a place that was well managed you can just feel it. However most places are managed for maximum profit instead and so we don’t get to feel that.
The response you’ll get is something along the lines of “they steer the company, so they make everything possible”.
The counter to this is to say “if the boss took a 6-month vacation, nothing would happen, but if the workers all went on strike for a day, the company would shut down”.
No one says that about their boss. They say it about other hypothetical bosses.
I have worked alongside a lot of bootlickers, what can I say
From Paul Cockshott’s Towards a New Socialism, my line on this is as follows: workers should get paid the same basic wage of 1 labor hour per hour they spent working, which may be redeemed (not exchanged) for some item or service that takes 1 hour of labor to produce according to the country’s economic plan. They may opt to work a little less hard or a little harder, with expectations of their work changing as a result, to have a slightly different wage; this difference in rate should never result in someone earning at more than twice the rate of someone else. Additionally, if a certain position is in high demand and programs to incentivize people to work in it aren’t producing enough people, that position’s rate could be raised too.
A few obvious responses:
What about highly educated workers, why would someone get a PhD just to earn the same as someone with a technical degree? Students would get paid the same as any worker to attend university. You don’t earn anything except being a more skilled and well-rounded person for gettiny an education (there’s a few prickly details about the accessibility of education for people that come from disadvantaged backgrounds, elitism, and how that might feed into stratification in a socialist society, this question deserves its own in-depth answer).
What about dangerous jobs? Obviously you would expect that putting workers in control of their workplaces would mean that occupational safety would automatically be a lot better, but if occupational hazards are still significant (I think this might just always be the case if your job is something wild like deep underwater construction) those positions would need some additional incentive, this might be the most extreme rate difference where the workers are making much more than everyone else.
Now the actual flaw with this, though, is that I’m just engaging in Utopian thinking here. Real world political projects don’t work by first imagining the best possible world and trying to build it directly; you have to work with the contradictions you are inside of. China has billionaires. Socialism in reality is not socialism in theory, it’s real. So all of this should be taken with a grain of salt. And Cockshott is a TERF.
My counter argument is that if I could have a cooler job for the same pay I’d rather do the cooler job. I work in Healthcare and I have only met a small handful of doctors in it for thr money. They like the money sure, but love of money isn’t gonna get you through medical school.
If I didn’t need to worry about rent there are cooler jobs that pay less that I rather have now.
Usually in society the harder dirtier work is paid less. So obviously that isn’t a factor. I have been a janitor. I worked harder for less than I do now.
Look at coal mining. 1. It is bad and doesn’t need to happen. 2. It would be fine if you used reasonable safety and worker health precautions. Like, I wouldn’t be a coal miner. However, if I got to drive a giant digger and wear a proper respirator so I didn’t have to worry about black lung that sounds rad.
I am unaware of any situation where the work has to be shitty and has to be done. I think all those situations are created by capital and if people got equal wages then alot of thst woudl clean itself up.
If the boring jobs ended up with enough of a deficit that couldn’t be solved with promotion and nudging people softly, they would get the same adjustment as anything else. I guess it’s funny to think of, like, a deep water welder and a nurse being the wealthiest people in a socialist society though. What are some other boring jobs that would end up in that position?
And Cockshott is a TERF
Fuck me sideways, I did not know this. Thanks for the heads up. I found his stances on immigration quite dumb and borderline reactionary, but I didn’t know he was also a TERF. Fucking hellish island.
It’s funny to start off with the Marxist with such a tame little jab, while all the other ones are completely off the charts
. Did they just get progressively more angry as they made the meme?They’re definitely missing a ton of types of guys though. Where are the stoners, Catholics, klansman who tries making bomb but blows himself up, groyper streamer whose audience are all self hating Hispanics (I’m latino I can say it), fellow nazis who choose the wrong side on the Ukraine war (dealer’s choice as to which one is which), or gamer?
Classic example of conservatives/fascists starting to make a “joke” and getting too angry at their own bullshit to even finish the bit
As a Puerto Rican, I am proud to have done my part fighting the Nazi menace by both stealing their white women and also punching them unconscious on several occasions
TYFYS
hates cops, hates capitalists, hates “activists” whose only activism is electoralism? is it malicious? are they making good points so they can have some authority among an audience who recognises cops, capitalists and centrists as a failure, only to flood them with unhinged bigotry?
surely this isn’t the play, if you start cannibalizing the people who allow your position to exist you will be the target eventually, get rid of cops of capitalists though im sure everyone will just be a vile bigot like you afterwards
Fascism necessarily eats itself. As soon as you accomplish the goal of a certain level of social or racial purity, there will need to be a new outgroup that you create to not completely stall out.
Everyone is going to want to be the king, and that means they are all a threat to each other.
This is just a Turner Diaries fan boy who thinks every person who doesn’t share his particular neuroses is a traitor and should be killed. THey want the state to kill every one who isn’t exactly like them.
posting this on their twitter account because if they said any of this stuff in person to anybody they’d lose some teeth
has never had a job
You post online for attention, blue mark.
That Twitter account, and seemingly all of their friends there, are out and open, literal 14 words speaking, Neo-Nazi’s. Wild to see stuff like that just out in the open on a major social media outlet, but I guess that’s what happens when Elon won’t ban them.
I don’t wanna check. Are they one of the nazis that tries to hijack leftist sentiment, or are they a purist ideologically committed misanthrope? I’ve obviously seen a lot of people on the far right that will attack capitalists, zionism, and imperialism, but I don’t think I’ve seen someone who is this racist still use those talking points.
90% of their posting is about how good it is to be white. Race is most of their thing, Jews aren’t White to them, and so anyone they and we criticize seems just to be them identifying them as race traitors, devoid of much economic analysis. They are open and proud neo-Nazis, they barely bother to camouflage what they believe or hijack other movements.
They hate Israel because Jews are destroying White people, I can’t find anything from them about Palestine.
Yeah makes sense. I doubt they made the meme though.
Normies discovered 4chan thanks to 2016 and found out their worthless asses can be part of white power if they wanted to and now it’s been, well, normiealized.
These people are always so miserable, really a terrible advertisement for their ideology. They’re like the human equivalent of the diseased lung pictures that come on cigarette packs. “This can be you having a public meltdown over other people existing! Join the team today!”
Lately I think I’ve really started to understand why meth is the overwhelming drug of choice for nazis. In many ways nazism is ideological meth: at first it makes you feel powerful, invincible. It gives you the drive to act for action’s sake, unlike those cuck thinkers with their “consideration” and “logistics”. You’re too powerful to be held back by little details. You will act and act and push and push until ultimate victory! …or until the nazism starts to take more than it gives. Then you suddenly come to and find yourself divorced, ostracized and encircled outside Stalingrad with a terrible case of the runs.
More than half of these are grievances about people having sex in supposedly incorrect ways
3 guesses as to what kind of porn this person watches and feels ashamed about.
Probably more than 3 kinds.
Im the (slur) and the marxist
The one truism we all agree to when it comes to boomers: They all think the world is going great because of the TV they consume
These people wanna bring back anti-miscegenation laws so bad
I think they’re beyond anti-miscegenation, i think alot of these people want to be more “proactive”
