• Skye [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Merz also says he “no longer understands” the Israeli military’s objective in Gaza.

    Maybe you shouldn’t have made it literally illegal to understand the Israeli military’s objective in Gaza germany-cool

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      The German Chancellor of all world leaders not understanding the goal of genocide, leading a country that prides itself on being the biggest understanders of genocidal dictators because “we did it before, so we know it best”, is just pure schadenfreude.

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        It must be coming from German society.

        The average German has finally had enough and the Chancellor is concerned Germans might become ungovernable. There’s only so much repression they can do before the repression, itself, creates further resistance.

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          A recent poll has found that Germans just want to go back to genocides happening quietly, not where people might actually hear about them regularly.

          Sample size: my parents

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          They probably saw this: Translate: Are the military acts  of Israel against Hamas justifed.

          Translation: “Are the military acts of Israel against Hamas justified?”

          They probably just got scared of go against most other European countries, because merz definitely does not give a single damn about palestine.

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              They cant allow people to form their own opinions on that matter, especially if they diverge from elite opinions. Thats why even in 2019 they literally cut the live-feed during an interview once a Palestinian man called out Israeli oppression. And libs wonder why their “democratic organs” are delegitimized and “misinformation” is widespread.

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          I haven’t seen any evidence there’s widespread outrage in Germany; the government, media, bureaucracy, police and schools are 99% supportive of the genocide

          Protests seem limited to a couple dozen people to occasionally a couple hundred spread out ineffectively across the country

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              There’s a recent video of an injured child stumbling through flames after Israel bombed a school, it’s became viral everywhere except the west

              The German slime didn’t change his stance, his statement is just a one time release to offset international outrage should the video become viral IN THE WEST like the burning videos of last year

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              I have no idea what caused him to change his stance otherwise.

              I’m assuming the guy got some non-public info on how that ICJ case is doing and doesn’t think it ends well if you have to explain how no, actually, we don’t give a shit about the geopolitical order. I think that’d be a tough sell to lots of germans, you don’t really get the kind of jingoistic approaches like, say, the US or Britain that much, it’s much more along the lines of being “the only sane man” doing technocratic aid

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    So genocides can be justified? Why thank you Germany, love that y’all are apparently the key leader in knowing what a “justified genocide” is.

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        Oh yeah, not what I was making the joke on nor understasnd the relevancy (I’m also currently lowkey sleep deprived), but makes sense that ethnic Germans would not be enjoying “fun times” at all post WWII

        • most genocide you never even hear about. Dont assume Germany having thesame historical expirence then you have, it really has not… and you have to think yourself through them , Obviously the “Kollektiv Punishment” angle and the “Inherent Blood Guilt” Concepts is drilled into it. (and yeah,… nobody need us crying about East Prussia ) - Its also Drilled in Hexbear Culture and many other places , there are calls to cull germans in this very threat.

          You have to think it through “narrative war” wise , Israel is Supported by the Hole West (Spain your good!) , but the concentration on Germanies Support offers an easy cope for the powerless British Subject in the blame game.

          The British Subject whos militry bombs Houthies and Provides scout data - will much preferr to be Morally outraged towards the “Other” then towards himself … Germany is Perfect for that. Occupied and Bounded by History and actuall laws to support Israel (like they all do anyway) is Perfect to shift the Blame to & Profit from feelings of Superiotity Purity. And its an old Trick … Most of the self proclaimed “Left” has been succesfully been psy oped to fear this Historiclly freak Event “Nazisim” and its “hypothetically taking power” much more then the HAVING POWER never stopping / ever destorying “oligarchy” - that currently murders everything everywhere for Profit and was perfectly capable of doing so without any Symbols or Uniforms or Iron Crosses… , why is that ?

          Because the ever Destroying Oligarchy targets the Outwards not “Them” while Nazism " is Imperialism turned Inward , so the white privledge class fear toward it comes more naturall…

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            Yeah… so in short expropriation of guilt in allowing the genocide of Palestine is not to be left at the seat of Germany alone, yet at the same time as a member of western power structures in Europe (and at this current period jockeying for position of heading the EU vs France) it should indeed feel guilt and slander for it’s own genocides and harm (i.e. never let Belgium forget the Congo for example and it’s modern consequences) it has caused the developing world. In the end as a western power it should indeed by bullied for opening it’s mouth and saying stupid shit about Gaza whenever applicable (such as this example which seems to be just Germany trying to historically save face by denouncing a very much noticeable genocide being done by Israel).

            Tldr; the majority of European states are garbage, Germany included, given they are still capitalist and so in support of powers that maintain those satellite states that ensure western hegemony to continue capitalist exploitation.

            • You start your thinking Wrong , with a false historical narrative basiclly its

              "germany should have learned a Lesson (of Morality) from WW2 and Follow that Lesson (of Morality) --> Oppose Genocide.

              This is Wrong. Germany was not teached any lesson of Morality it was Teached a Lesson in Power.

              Germany was teached a Lesson about “In-Groups” and “Out-Groups” and POWER & it follows the lesson it was teached like a Muster Student.

              The Lessonwas :

              –> There is a “Ingroup” that the Laws shall Protect but Never HINDER. and there is a Outgroup that the Laws shall Hinder But NEVER Protect

              It is naive to come onto germany with these “Sweet Summer Child” Ideas about the World and how it functions.

              You come to a Nation that After the War became a Western NATO Weaponsplattform that was aimed at the Nation it just had brutally murdered 25 MILLION people of…

              You come to a Nation that Replaced Adolf H. with Adolf H. (the General staff Leader of the Wehrmacht and leader of the “Partisanen bekämpfung” on the Eastern Front- “Partisanenbekämpfung” basiclly means “Mr. Massacre 3000” - he lead the Non “Active Frontline Part” of the Eastern Front… just think about that… ) then was Covered by the West with a Hole "Nurenberg Trials and a Mysterious “Denazification” while its Guilt was Yieldet to serve in Support of Appartheitstate that the West founded .

              You Expect your “outrage” at ethnic cleansing Mirrored from people that where ethniclly cleansed from Wolga Germany and Eastern Prussia / Kaliningrad - the Balkans … etc… and that have been trained to Recoqnize any notion of “right to Return” of this People as Nazi Sympathies etc…

              Germany does “Follow the Lessons of WW2” is the actuall …bleak truth… sorry…

              Also

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                Yeah I think that was a forgone conclusion already that Germany, especially the part controlled by western powers before reunification, would itself be nothing more than a remnant of what happened before but knew how to operate optics as the key lessons in working/existing among capitalist powers. The key lesson from my perspective is that Germany learned to never throw mud at the US and it’s other western capitalist collective when engaging in fascism (i.e. they lost the plot) and so now try to act like an “enlightened” post fascist state that is “very sorry” for it’s crimes meanwhile people still very much do live in the homes their SS grandpapies stole and murdered for as well as marching in lockstep with NATO ensuring hegemony over eastern Europe and the Middle East exerted by the west.

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                  Rest is good but this

                  meanwhile people still very much do live in the homes their SS grandpapies stole and murdered for

                  Thats cheap Polemic…

                  Where do americans life ? In America ? … Thats really no Gotcha … the average german is no SS soldier -living in a house he murdered for …

                  Germany is not a Settler state but Indginious , unlike :

                  its not like america … with the offspring of “Settlers” that live in a Land that their “Settler Grandparants” Stole & murdered for.

                  its not like Israel where its the Offspring of Settlers that live in a Land that their “Settler Parents” stole and Murderd For…

                  its not like Australia the Offspring lives in a Land that their Settler Parents Stole and Murders for ?

                  Its not like Canada where the offspring still …

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    Is he on bskye? So I can send him postcards from Gaza. That’s my recent satisfaction, but I don’t know much politicans by name. Anyways, whoever wants those postcards, I will gladly share. My phone is full of evidence.

    Mossad, don’t bother, I have 3 copies of it. Even if you fuck up my phone, these are on the cloud, on USB stick and on my other phone. 💅🖕

  • people really need to understand perfidious German Position towards the Stupid Zionist more.

    –> It is in the interest of a Anti-Semitic Fascist Conntinuation state to have his former Victim Proclaiming the Fascist belive themselfs.

    –> it is in the Interest of a Anti Semitic Fascist Continuationstate to have its former Victim taking Palestinian Land instead of “German Land” -( Have you ever managed to companstate somebody by giving him foreign Property? Lol ? Sell of the century )

    –> it is in the Interest of a Anti Semitic Fascist Continuationstate to have the Belive that “jews dont belong into Europe” beeing proclaimed from the other side as well.

    Zionist really need to ask themself if this “West german Intelligencia” that build a State that Simmulataniously “Regretted Deeply” while it armed itsself againt the “Red Manace” and Planned Post Nuclear war against its eastern brothers." while Basiclly employing the same personal - Did they all really had suddenly “their” best interest in minds ???

    Maybe , just maybe - the Fascist Continuation-State has their very own interest in Mind ?

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    The predictable swerve, the pivot. The ability to point back to their last minute words only objections to the genocide after it’s concluded and sob about how they realized too late what those scheming Jews were up to and how they tricked them and oh it was all Netanyahu and a few other bad apples really. Thus they believe preserving their righteousness, their ability to shit on China and Russia and other places. Never forget their actions, their support, their lack of action and duty to stop it even after admitting it was going wrong. They’ll claim it was only after that they realized it amounted to genocide and wring their hands and weep for the Palestinian people who once were and once again say never again while casually slinging around the genocide accusation at Russia, at China, at AES, etc.

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      I said months ago in a particularly depressing pub analogy that the UK and others in the West (Germany has been a sterling exemplar naturally) that we would help attack the ghetto, build the camps, run the trains, catalogue the victims, run the work camps, see the malnutrition, see the death, help build the showers and then act offended when the guards started pushing people into them. omori-miserable

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      this is a unexpexted Stupid , selfdefeating and extremly primitiv comment.

      What did you just do there ? De-Jure wise - do you Notice ? and Why did you feel selfrigtous enough to cast such Judgements ?

      I can have a lot of Fun with you now…

      So genocide can be justified via Kollective Guilt you say ?

      Edit: Also Dont think i currently make plans to cull your people or anything like that.( in reaction & in obvious self defense ) … no sir… Only Good things come from calls for the culling of hole people groups. And they generally just accept it.

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            Pretty sure Abba Kovner didn’t just randomly decide to kill 6 million germans and there might be some history involved in that plan. Feels like ignoring that history is just doing the Schlussstrichdebatte again

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                What’s on yours? If everybody is born in a vacuum with no connection to the times before then I’m sure every company in nazi germany that used forced labour has redistributed some portion of wealth after, yes? Every jewish property and belonging that got expropiated has been given back at least as far as is reasonable to trace? Surely we’re not having court hearings about this in 2025, 80 years after the fact that make half the country come out of the woodwork decrying how unfair this is?

                Especially given the state does put a considerable amount of resources towards tracking down lineages when it comes to inheritances?

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    How many months of genocidal grace period is expected between ethno-nationalist friends? Social media really has changed the expectations of these relationships.

    Merz said he plans to have a call with Netanyahu this week to tell him “to not overdo it.” Yet he added that for “historical reasons,” Germany would always be more guarded in its criticism of Israel than other EU members.

    norm-respectable