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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml to History@hexbear.netEnglish · 3 days ago

Debunking the ‘Tiananmen Square Massacre’

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Debunking the ‘Tiananmen Square Massacre’

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml to History@hexbear.netEnglish · 3 days ago
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Every June in the United States we are subjected to a barrage of anti-China propaganda from major media outlets and prominent political pundits (on top of the regularly-scheduled China bashing).
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  • miz [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie | Mango Press

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    i will be honest I think the CCPs handling of censorship regarding the event has actually made the narrative worse

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      Internationally, sure. But look at what happened with internet conspiracy culture in the US. It’s basically taken over the government at this point, and widened the cultural divides that already existed. China’s heavy-handed censorship makes more sense when viewed in this light (preventing the internet from making society insane)

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        I knowww but it irks me personally so they should reconsider

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      can you be more specific? the government released a report at the time (only translated into English by Mango Press a few years ago) and the 6-4 incident is not some kind of forbidden knowledge in China

      This publically available official government document has been manually translated by our native Mandarin-speaking staff to disprove the western lie that this event is covered up by the state.

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        I watched the China Ministry of Foreign Affairs press conference this morning. Two news agencies (Japanese NHK and French AFP) asked questions related to “Tienanmen Square Incident”. I thought the response from the FM on the questions was pretty good. Then I looked at the MFA website, and the questions had been omitted from the press conference transcript. I’m honestly kind of confused why China omitted the questions from the record. I’ve never noticed them do this before.

        https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bsq-9fVxXFQ

        English audio comes out of the right speaker. Chinese audio comes out of the left speaker.

        At 21m10s, NHK asks China why they have not compensated families of the victims of “Tienanmen Square Incident”. The FM responds by saying that the people of China have chosen the path of Socialism with Chinese characteristics.

        At 23m40s, AFP asks China to respond to Marco Rubio’s recent social media posts about “Tienanmen Square Incident”. The FM says that Marco Rubio is distorting facts for a political attack against China.

        In the transcript below, these parts of the conference have been omitted. I’m not sure why.

        https://www.mfa.gov.cn/eng/xw/fyrbt/202506/t20250604_11640779.html

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        the most recent and blatant example I can give is LLMs hosted in China (eg. deepseek, qwen) are legally disallowed from even talking about it.

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          legally disallowed

          afaik this decision was taken by the company that made deepseek for international relations purposes, do you have a source (not RFA) that indicates the government passed a law or made a regulation?

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            https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/generative-ai-interim/ here’s an English translation of their gen AI regulations. all generated content needs to still follow general internet regulations. https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/provisions-on-the-governance-of-the-online-information-content-ecosystem/

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              cool well it’s important not to encourage stupid bullshit to spread. meanwhile Meta squelches any mention of Palestine

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                there’s always an excuse, it’s still shitty and harms good faith conversation

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                  good faith conversation

                  let me know when you find one because I don’t see that moving the needle in the Great Satan

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