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  • DinosaurThussy [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    6 months ago

    Invoking Occam’s Razor here is conflating neutrality with simplicity which is not always the case. Most political dichotomies of opinion are social constructions which themselves have bias. While there is a kernel of truth to “the truth lies somewhere in the middle” (you should try to get a complete picture before reaching a conclusion), applying it to already-biased dichotomies and then landing in the middle is going to result in you favoring the original bias present in the construction.

    • WhiskeyOaks [none/use name]@hexbear.netOP
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      6 months ago

      I would argue it does. One extreme wants to say; “Tienanmen Square was a horrible tragedy and China/ Communism is the evilest thing in the world”, likely not true, but also, neither China nor Communism have clean hands. The other extreme wants to say; “Nothing interesting happened with Tienanmen Square and the West/ Capitalism is the evilest thing in the world”, equally unlikely to be true, but also, neither the West or Communism have clean hands. In this case, Occam’s Razor implies that neither of these extremes is reasonable and that the true story is actually some composite of both. I’m not using Occam’s Razor as a form of neutrality, merely as a mechanism for determining when a reasonable conclusion can be made.

      • HelluvaBottomCarter [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        6 months ago

        “Tienanmen Square was a horrible tragedy and China/ Communism is the evilest thing in the world”

        is already a centrist position in the US. It’s not extreme, it’s mainstream.

        “Nothing interesting happened with Tienanmen Square and the West/ Capitalism is the evilest thing in the world”

        is a straw man and not a position many people hold.

        So no, the truth is not in the middle of those two things. China doesn’t hold that nothing interesting happened. China doesn’t even hold that capitalism is the most evil thing. Individuals on the internet may play fast and loose with moralizing, but it’s not about capitalism being evil. It’s about it being exploitive and abstracted slavery. People don’t engage in slavery to be mean, or because evil has possessed them, they do it because they materially benefit from it.

      • DinosaurThussy [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        6 months ago

        Nothing interesting happened with Tienanmen Square

        If we are your proxy for this extreme and this was your takeaway from the readings and videos you’ve been linked, I don’t know what to tell you. The June 4th Incident was the culmination of weeks of protests and has lasting impacts to this day both domestically and internationally. Chinese students are taught as much in school.