• Posadas [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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        It comes down to economies of scale.

        In the US grains like corn and wheat go for about $4.25-$5.25 per pound.

        One acre of land can produce about 2.3 tons (48,000 pounds) of wheat.

        So being generous, lets say you could make $240,000 per acre.

        Now you have to factor in the costs to grow, harvest, process, store, and ship that. Along with that you need to equipment to do all of this.

        Ultimately, a large farm might spend more initially for bigger equipment, there going to beat out smaller farms by shear volume.

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          In the US grains like corn and wheat go for about $4.25-$5.25 per pound.

          oh, i see. I was thinking kCal/acre instead of cash value/acre, assuming you were eating this instead of selling it

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        Cereals with the exceptions of corn and quinoa aren’t really worth it on a hobby farm, which anything under an acre certainly is. Oats, wheat, rye ect are all a pain to harvest and process. Growing corn you can do three sisters and really produce a ton of food per square meter. Quinoa grows kinda bushy but you can stick it anywhere and when it’s ready to harvest all you have to do is shake it.

        Wild rice gets an honorable mention if you’ve got the right spot for it as it essential self seeds needs vary little care and all you really have to do is smack it with stick into tarp to harvest it.

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        In calories produced/(year * acre), stuff like potatoes are way more productive than wheat or sunflower or soy IIRC

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    This is like if people who re into cottage core thought about what a homestead would look like, without doing any actual homesteading.

    I’ve done it. I mean, worked a farm. Worked cattle, and a half acre vegetable garden, chickens and pigs. It’s not for the faint of heart. It isn’t for redditors and people who post on twitter.

    That’s not enough room for ANY of that. That veggie garden will provide for a few months at best, in optimal conditions. Less so if you’re growing multiple seasons. The fruit trees take YEARS to produce anything worth harvesting. It takes more than two trees of a few varieties, which are in season at different times of the year. There’s so much about this that doesn’t work.

    Fucking larpers man. Are they gonna post about it when none of that works?

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      yeah i was about to say it looks like a nice hobbyist project that would take a lot of effort, but at best that’s going to be a supplement to your total food income and you’re still going to be buying 80% of your groceries at best. Not that it doesn’t make it worth it as a hobby but come on man, you can’t subsist one person off that

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      I put a bunch of fruit trees in last year. I’ve gotten nothing from them, I’ll continue to get nothing from them for the next few years if I can keep them alive, between weather and animals that just love the taste of young fruit trees.

      Even with perfect luck that kind of a layout is a recipe for starvation.

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        Right. There’s just so much that has to happen flawlessly to get the yields this guy expects from fruit trees.

        In the meantime there’s all sorts of blights, and rots, and fungus’ and infections and cankers, and on, and on, and on. Deer? Birds? Worms?

        Multiple varieties with different soil needs, and nutrient needs, and watering needs. And some fruits are only good for one thing, like canning or baking, etc. so you’re only ever gonna have canned pears, or apple pies because the fruit is too sour otherwise…

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          Ugh, tell me about it with the sour fruits. I love cherries. My climate is far too cold to keep any sweet varieties alive. I’ve talked to multiple local master gardners and nobody has any advice other than “well, you could try to set up a microclimate that will keep it alive through the winter, but that’s pretty tough.”

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    I’ve probably been a little too forward over the years about personal details like this but I grew up on a “x farm” (non animal product) and in the summers as a kid I worked on a ranch with a bunch of miscellaneous farm animals doing all kinda bullshit with buckets and bailing wire and all the fun stuff. The amount of land it requires is so much more than these fucking hobbyist dipshits think.

    The lady I worked for basically ran a retirement home for old work animals. Old horses and cows too old for work but they’re fine animals and she had a big heart. It’s so much work tending animals that you don’t have to harness up and do shit with. They’re big! They eat all fuckin day! It’s all they do! Except the horses. They sometimes stare at you like side-eye-1 but just one eye because they have to look sideways to stare because their enormous banana heads.

    Anyways, fuck these idiots, swear to christ chuds going all “pol pot year zero but with homesteading” is going to get shitloads of people killed if it ever came to pass because they’ll collapse the entire food system from the ground up. Don’t ever let these idiots be in charge of the food production.

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    Damn, like 30% of it is green desert. Not a botanical garden or water retention or pollinator garden with a path through it or even just rotating livestock forage, but the most boring and unproductive thing they can imagine. I visited the 1/2 acre~ home of a horticulturist recently and he had an entire forest growing between three ecosystems, at least a hundred species of plants. When I can finally afford a homestead similar to this, I could squeeze like 4x the metabolism out of this space.

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    Ah yes, the classic 1 acre with a cow, a calf, two pigs, a duck pond and a chicken coop.

    Does the artist know how much a cow eats? That ducks can fly? Who cares, vibes vibes vibes!

    A lot else is wrong with this, but good luck feeding just one cow off of 1 acre of ANYTHING.

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      Drop the livestock (minus the chicken) and the grains; expand that vegetable garden, and you can have a nice hobby that gives you some nice fresh food to supplement going to the store throughout part of the year.

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      good luck feeding just one cow off of 1 acre of ANYTHING

      Even a just a couple of goats at a fraction the size of a cow will easily strip an acre over the course of a season and as soon winter hits they’re going through like 50lbs of feed a month.

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    If we disregard the comically small pastures which would probably be animal abuse, this is just a large vegetable garden, which is a nice thing to have and not the worst hobby you could be into. It has nothing to do with self-suffucience though.

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    The mechanism of animal husbandry in pre-industrial society was usually to extract value out of undeveloped land and/or store value for times of scarcity. It required large ratios of land per human in order to passively extract value through grazing.

    This image is fetishism.