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At this point this needs to the site’s permanent tagline
Oh shit is America going to start building infrastructure
Nope! Just more fascism
well then it’s not very much like China is it.
You stupid tankies have forgotten that my crystals have revealed China is fascist
Only a Russian bot would question the crystals
Americans doing American things americanally, in America
American media: damn those orientals
So we’re finally getting high speed rail?
Or invest in semiconductor manufacturing, and manufacturing in general?
Are Americans going to learn to eat vegetables?
Both push a muscular patriotism, are obsessed with manufacturing and hostile to immigrants. Both want a country where ethnic minorities are expected to bow to the dominant group
So many liberals keep calling China racist, but they never give any real evidence. This article just links to another article about how racist the MAGA movement is, yeah, I know Trumpers are racist, but you just said China was exactly the same and didn’t back it up at all? They didn’t even mention Uyghurs, surprisingly.
The article does this on more than one occasion. I think it’s a GPT article. The paragraph about how China supposedly “punishes neighbors after mere slights” includes an article as evidence that states trade with Japan resumed
but also a funny bit about how when reached for comment a Chinese office refused to comment over the phone and told them to fucking fax the questions. The fax was ignored.
WHAT
ARE
WEa bunch of asians???
America: dictatorship of the bourgeoisie does dictatorship of the bourgeoisie things
Outraged liberals so close to getting it: “What are we, a bunch of COMMIES!?”
I wish y’all were, buddy. If only.
There is indeed much that America can learn from China. But perhaps the most important lesson is to stay true to who we are as a nation. That’s what China did. It adopted aspects of the American way that would make it strong again, while sticking to its core system of Communist Party political domination and heavy state involvement in everything. And it has been spectacularly successful. Trump’s America, on the other hand, is beginning to seem as if it’s taking cues from China’s political model. That’s not who we are.<
I think this is my favourite part
it worked well for China…anyways we dont actually want that.
Of course not. Because to make it work, the US would need a Communist Party that isn’t totally useless. And no one who lived through the Cold War is going to allow that to happen.
That’s not who we are.
They said the thing! 
is this implying that china has always been communist?
Yes, the People’s Republic of China is the only China
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I wasn’t even gonna bother posting to slop bc it is mostly the typical pablum but this paragraph is truly shocking. I can’t remember the last time one of these articles very nearly called China’s political model a good thing
There is so little introspection on the mater, too.
But perhaps the most important lesson is to stay true to who we are as a nation.
Oh ok, so what does that mean?
That’s what China did. It adopted aspects of the American way that would make it strong again, while sticking to its core system of Communist Party political domination and heavy state involvement in everything. And it has been spectacularly successful.
Hmm, right I see. So China did market reforms but maintained its communist state, got it! So, Communist State + Market Reforms (aka do a little capitalism) = Great Success! But what about America?
Trump’s America, on the other hand, is beginning to seem as if it’s taking cues from China’s political model. That’s not who we are.
Oh. Ok, Which parts of China’s political model, exactly? Hmm, it doesn’t say. This could mean anything. Is it the “core system of […] political domination and heavy state involvement in everything.” but without the Communist Party? If only the author had come to some kind of conclusion about what exactly Trump is appropriating from the Chinese model. If Trump is doing the “bad” part of the model, what part of the Chinese model are we supposed to be doing, exactly? If doing a little “capitalism” for China = Good, are we supposed to be … doing a little … communism in America? What would that even look like, I wonder. Nothing comes to mind, I guess.
The United States can and should consider adopting some of what has worked for China, such as transitioning to renewables; revitalizing industrial policy; supporting science, research and education; reinvesting in infrastructure, housing and safe cities; and above all, having a sense of collective purpose that leads to national strength.
Instead, Mr. Trump’s administration is undermining or slashing funding for critical things such as public safety, infrastructure, education, scientific research, clean energy and semiconductor manufacturing, while fanning political divisions.
Oh, I see, this is what we should be doing. That seems obvious, right? But why can we never actually seem to get there? What is it, exactly, that makes China so on task, so focused, and so driven to meet these goals?
It’s natural for Americans who want a better future to look, albeit grudgingly, at what China has achieved. To be sure, leaders in Beijing don’t have a messy democracy to get in the way of their plans, but that’s hardly the only reason for China’s success. It came also from strategic foresight, investing in the future, a sense of national focus and unity — not division — that comes from the top and millions of individuals working hard to build the country up. China followed America’s lead, but it stuck to its own systems and stayed focused on meeting the basic needs of its population.
Is it really “millions of individuals”, that make all these dreams a reality in China? What can the author tell us about Chinas “own systems” which it “stuck to”? How does a Country like China build “a sense of national focus and unity”, which of its systems ensures this unity? How does its systems handle division? What are these systems exactly? Come on, author, you’ve been in China since 2008. You can’t elaborate on any of these things?
But perhaps the most important lesson is to stay true to who we are as a nation.Oh ok, so what does that mean?
genocidal imperialists?
I just get the feeling there is a quota on these types of articles at this point. We know a sort of elaboration on the subject would demonstrate the vacuousness of the author’s “analysis” too clearly.
What we should be discussing is how many guys the NYT has trapped in China for years in order to, in their view, substantiate their credibility. C = Number of Years Lived in Place * Age / Skin Tone
WHERE’S THE HIGH SPEED RAIL, UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, AND $5 STREET FOOD!?!?!
No universal healthcare in China I’m afraid. The street food is significantly cheaper than 5 dollars though. Try between 1 and 2 dollars
They have universal public option for insurance to cover the bases. People who can afford it also get supplementary private insurance. This is more or less same as Australia or Germany. The only difference is that being a developing country with large population the basic public option is not as good.
Ah right. Is that opt in or is it something you get with your social security/national insurance card equivalent
To my knowledge it is a bit fragmented. Like there are different tiers of public option for rural vs. urban people, and employers still obligated to provide insurance to their workers (also with different tiers), and a lot of people do out of pocket supplementary insurance. The rural vs. urban divide creates weird problem like some of my colleagues from China said if city people went hiking in rural areas, roll their ankle and had to be helicoptered out, they are out of coverage because they live in cities. But more or less the whole population have some base of insurance (e.g., universal coverage), and emergency services are covered, so people never got bankrupt from ambulance trip. It is just that for very expensive medical treatment, like cancer treatment or some specialist visits, MRI, etc. it is not completely free.
What is the healthcare in China like? It may not be true universal healthcare, but surely it’s nothing like the “die of poverty from crippling medical debt before the terminal cancer kills you” style of US healthcare?
It’s (relatively) cheap as shit, very efficient, but there’s zero bedside manner.
I have heard of poor people struggling to fund more serious healthcare treatments. I remember a friend said their family had to resort to crowdfunding for a relative’s cancer treatment.
Also anecdotal but I’ve heard there’s a tendency to overmedicate or recommend unnecessary treatments because it makes the hospitals or doctors more money.
Whenever I hear about peopele crowdfunding cancer I am suspicious. Not of them, they are scared and dying. I have my doubts of the providers. Like, there was a famous case of a clinic here in America that was taking cancer patients that were deemed terminal and charging exorbitant prices for agressive treatments. Then as could be predicted that did not reverse terminal cancer. So they were effectively knowingly scamming the dying out od their money
I think the Chinese equivalent is TCM doctors promising miracle cures and scamming people out of their money.
TCM is clinically integrated into hospitals as part of (mostly) preventative medicine and treatment, though. I was prescribed a number of herbal medicines when I went in for 1) a twisted ankle 2) GI problems and 3) heatstroke. I’m a foreigner and this was in T1 cities.
Yeah I’ve had the same experience. Alongside real medicine, for minor issues, I don’t really have a problem with it. If nothing else it’s an innocent placebo.
It’s just in rare cases where people over rely on it that I think it’s dangerous. You hear stories like people attempting to cure their cancer with exclusively TCM, but these cases thankfully don’t seem too common.
It’s chill when it is a weaponized placebo but people tend to go over board with it.
It’s way closer than it should be, considering that it used to be universal.
Guess I need to read up on what happened.
I’m not really sure. But I know it’s orders of magnitude cheaper than the US system. You won’t go bankrupt from an ambulance ride
Just one small problem crackers: Chinese people are actually native to China…
Then why are we called Americans?
The amerikkkan way is to use inconsistent formatting in documentation. Colons? Equal signs? Periods? Fuck you. I’ll raise my M16 and use a god damn comma.
ignoring English class was (not sure if anyone cares enough anymore) basically presented in American media as a virtue. combine that with 24/7 access to computer and here we are.
amerikkka doing amerikkkan things amerikkkanly
How could China do this?
Corruption: Russia because the US and the West helped concentrate wealth and power among oligarchs.
Economic policy : Russia in the 1990s, whose policy was dictated by US and the West.
US is getting a taste of what it did to other countries.
this is the kind of hard hitting analysis that can only come from Chula Vista
