Lemmy uses javascript package managment with a tool (pnpm) that would not exist without nodejs. And as bad as javascript package management is, it could be worse. Just look at the python package management ecosystem.
I don’t think much of the node ecosystem, but darkmode’s point is correct even though the backend doesn’t run in a node interpreter.
None of this takes away anything from shitting on this particular clown though.
Only tangentially related, but I recommend reading this post from a cool technologist I like. There’s plenty to critique in the world of software without falling into the well-worn rut of the flame war patterns laid down by the brogrammers that stole this profession from the women that started it.
I like the article you shared on contempt culture, really good for self-crit.
My struggle session comment could be better explained as I believe most programming happens when people get together to discuss many different solutions to a problem rather than the act of coding itself.
LLMs feel like the “learn to code” bootcamp grifts that repackage language manuals as slideshows rather than giving actual experience but cranked to 11. Being told that your field is going to die in a couple years hurts no matter who you are.
I never found the right phrase (contempt culture) to describe it but it is unfortunately still too prevalent in computing. The reference to CoC backlash is still very common in some projects/spaces right now and it hits me really hard because ive read about queer and trans contributors feeling unsafe or leaving because of it and things like it (Asahi Linux project comes to mind which had *Chan trolls transvestigating the project leaders, fucking yikes).
I think its more prevalent since the passion people have about programming is unfortunately not where any of the money and livelihoods are (thanks to capitalism) and so there’s this need to be loud and project more.
Nothing like contributing to a project for years and knowing your deadname is in so many commits… Cant force push to the project to remove your deadname, but dont want to keep contributing under your deadname, but its also sus if some brand new person suddenly shows up with intimate knowledge of parts of the codebase that youre the only knowledgable person on… Theres no good way forward lol
im not a programmer, just a relatively computer competent layman but ill die on the hill that browser and web developers should be shot into the sun regardless of the language for how they’ve completely destroyed the idea of privacy on the web, the amount of data that browsers give out for seemingly no good reason is crazy from my perspective
tbh almost all that can be laid at the foot of Google. would’ve been Microsoft but they got spooked by the antitrust lawsuit they beat and didn’t consolidate their monopoly on browser tech like they were heading towards. Google watched them get sued and just did the same thing they were trying with IE but with Chrome
i mean of course the google execs get put on the rocketship with them but im giving as much sympathy to chrome devs as i do to troops in the US military
Rust is great, the only problem is when you have to go back to other languages and you don’t have the luxury of cargo and the 50 other things surrounding the language that make developing for it so easy.
the novel memory management is neat but I always find the rampant use of macros to be a huge roadblock to doing anything quickly any time I try to pick it up. but I’m not coming from cpp so I don’t think I’m the target audience
I’m well aware that lemmy doesn’t use node I just said “like these” bc i was targetting my comment towards ppl that aren’t software devs.
I think it’s uncontroversial, maybe even trite to state that JS tech like node was instrumental in the language’s adoption and the explosion of web apps, electron apps, etc.
I’m sorry for being so curt. The bad vibes I got from that article really bled into me.
Web is huge and nodejs was groundbreaking, but I just feel very miffed that the people who were part of the big push to Web as the de-facto development platform whether they intended to or not are now selling themselves as missionaries for silicon valley, this bubbling optimistic enthusiasm feels so off to me.
Creator of nodejs? Fucking dipshit loser who lowered my quality of life. Lemmy does not use nodejs.
Computer programming is one long struggle session among the nerdiest people you ever know, not this pompous Zionist level delusions of self grandeur.
I regret to inform you that Lemmy’s UI uses NodeJS to serve the pages.
Lemmy uses javascript package managment with a tool (
pnpm) that would not exist without nodejs. And as bad as javascript package management is, it could be worse. Just look at the python package management ecosystem.I don’t think much of the node ecosystem, but darkmode’s point is correct even though the backend doesn’t run in a node interpreter.
None of this takes away anything from shitting on this particular clown though.
Only tangentially related, but I recommend reading this post from a cool technologist I like. There’s plenty to critique in the world of software without falling into the well-worn rut of the flame war patterns laid down by the brogrammers that stole this profession from the women that started it.
I like the article you shared on contempt culture, really good for self-crit.
My struggle session comment could be better explained as I believe most programming happens when people get together to discuss many different solutions to a problem rather than the act of coding itself.
LLMs feel like the “learn to code” bootcamp grifts that repackage language manuals as slideshows rather than giving actual experience but cranked to 11. Being told that your field is going to die in a couple years hurts no matter who you are.
my comment also not much better wrt to contempt culture but we’re all working with the patterns we’ve got, y’know.
that makes a lot more sense about the struggle session bit, I didn’t read it that way. but totally agreed! appreciate you expanding on that.
I never found the right phrase (contempt culture) to describe it but it is unfortunately still too prevalent in computing. The reference to CoC backlash is still very common in some projects/spaces right now and it hits me really hard because ive read about queer and trans contributors feeling unsafe or leaving because of it and things like it (Asahi Linux project comes to mind which had *Chan trolls transvestigating the project leaders, fucking yikes).
I think its more prevalent since the passion people have about programming is unfortunately not where any of the money and livelihoods are (thanks to capitalism) and so there’s this need to be loud and project more.
Nothing like contributing to a project for years and knowing your deadname is in so many commits… Cant force push to the project to remove your deadname, but dont want to keep contributing under your deadname, but its also sus if some brand new person suddenly shows up with intimate knowledge of parts of the codebase that youre the only knowledgable person on… Theres no good way forward lol
I really liked that article, thanks for sharing it.
np, it’s one of the few I try to re-read it every so often to keep fresh. clearly not recently enough
im not a programmer, just a relatively computer competent layman but ill die on the hill that browser and web developers should be shot into the sun regardless of the language for how they’ve completely destroyed the idea of privacy on the web, the amount of data that browsers give out for seemingly no good reason is crazy from my perspective
tbh almost all that can be laid at the foot of Google. would’ve been Microsoft but they got spooked by the antitrust lawsuit they beat and didn’t consolidate their monopoly on browser tech like they were heading towards. Google watched them get sued and just did the same thing they were trying with IE but with Chrome
i mean of course the google execs get put on the rocketship with them but im giving as much sympathy to chrome devs as i do to troops in the US military
all that said I think I am gonna start learning rust
Rust is great, the only problem is when you have to go back to other languages and you don’t have the luxury of cargo and the 50 other things surrounding the language that make developing for it so easy.
the novel memory management is neat but I always find the rampant use of macros to be a huge roadblock to doing anything quickly any time I try to pick it up. but I’m not coming from cpp so I don’t think I’m the target audience
I’m well aware that lemmy doesn’t use node I just said “like these” bc i was targetting my comment towards ppl that aren’t software devs.
I think it’s uncontroversial, maybe even trite to state that JS tech like node was instrumental in the language’s adoption and the explosion of web apps, electron apps, etc.
I’m sorry for being so curt. The bad vibes I got from that article really bled into me.
Web is huge and nodejs was groundbreaking, but I just feel very miffed that the people who were part of the big push to Web as the de-facto development platform whether they intended to or not are now selling themselves as missionaries for silicon valley, this bubbling optimistic enthusiasm feels so off to me.