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ChapoGPT, tell me how I should feel about this article.
No, just as invention of writing, tools and machines also didn’t.
It’s already been extinct.
Why do you think everyone loves nazis because “they’re soooooo bad! How coooo! Yolo swag!”
“If we force the poors to be reliant on a new technology AND declare that that technology causes people to lose their ability to think, we can get rid of those pesky human rights laws!”No
before i get strawmanned: no i dont think “AI” (by which i mean LLMs like chatgpt) is anywhere close to being as good/useful as writing. Still:
im sick of the exaggeration about this stuff, writing didnt kill thinking, google search didnt kill thinking, and these LLMs wont kill thinking either
realized just now this was posted to c/slop so this isnt directed at you OP
I think the hype is on the down swing. It seems they’re gonna try again with newer, more mathematically efficient models or something. Telling ppl not to worry about this shit will always be an uphill battle bc not only are the hype-men, salesmen, and the bougies trying to scare the public & their workers w/ this stuff. Ppl that should really know better have also convinced themselves.
I feel as though the creator of Nodejs (a monumental step forward for Javascript and a technology that helps websites like these run) would be able to think introspectively and accept that intelligence is far more complex than a complex statistical model but I am wrong
lol, he still thinks the Turing test is somehow an indicator of something
When I got to that part I raised an eyebrow through the ceiling. In actual computational theory classes that is only ever brought up briefly during the intro section to automata & turing machines to try and ease math & cs students into writing proofs (which he most definitely knows bc he was a math college student)
Creator of nodejs? Fucking dipshit loser who lowered my quality of life. Lemmy does not use nodejs.
Computer programming is one long struggle session among the nerdiest people you ever know, not this pompous Zionist level delusions of self grandeur.
I regret to inform you that Lemmy’s UI uses NodeJS to serve the pages.
Lemmy uses javascript package managment with a tool (
pnpm) that would not exist without nodejs. And as bad as javascript package management is, it could be worse. Just look at the python package management ecosystem.I don’t think much of the node ecosystem, but darkmode’s point is correct even though the backend doesn’t run in a node interpreter.
None of this takes away anything from shitting on this particular clown though.
Only tangentially related, but I recommend reading this post from a cool technologist I like. There’s plenty to critique in the world of software without falling into the well-worn rut of the flame war patterns laid down by the brogrammers that stole this profession from the women that started it.
I like the article you shared on contempt culture, really good for self-crit.
My struggle session comment could be better explained as I believe most programming happens when people get together to discuss many different solutions to a problem rather than the act of coding itself.
LLMs feel like the “learn to code” bootcamp grifts that repackage language manuals as slideshows rather than giving actual experience but cranked to 11. Being told that your field is going to die in a couple years hurts no matter who you are.
my comment also not much better wrt to contempt culture but we’re all working with the patterns we’ve got, y’know.
that makes a lot more sense about the struggle session bit, I didn’t read it that way. but totally agreed! appreciate you expanding on that.
I never found the right phrase (contempt culture) to describe it but it is unfortunately still too prevalent in computing. The reference to CoC backlash is still very common in some projects/spaces right now and it hits me really hard because ive read about queer and trans contributors feeling unsafe or leaving because of it and things like it (Asahi Linux project comes to mind which had *Chan trolls transvestigating the project leaders, fucking yikes).
I think its more prevalent since the passion people have about programming is unfortunately not where any of the money and livelihoods are (thanks to capitalism) and so there’s this need to be loud and project more.
Nothing like contributing to a project for years and knowing your deadname is in so many commits… Cant force push to the project to remove your deadname, but dont want to keep contributing under your deadname, but its also sus if some brand new person suddenly shows up with intimate knowledge of parts of the codebase that youre the only knowledgable person on… Theres no good way forward lol
I really liked that article, thanks for sharing it.
np, it’s one of the few I try to re-read it every so often to keep fresh. clearly not recently enough
im not a programmer, just a relatively computer competent layman but ill die on the hill that browser and web developers should be shot into the sun regardless of the language for how they’ve completely destroyed the idea of privacy on the web, the amount of data that browsers give out for seemingly no good reason is crazy from my perspective
tbh almost all that can be laid at the foot of Google. would’ve been Microsoft but they got spooked by the antitrust lawsuit they beat and didn’t consolidate their monopoly on browser tech like they were heading towards. Google watched them get sued and just did the same thing they were trying with IE but with Chrome
i mean of course the google execs get put on the rocketship with them but im giving as much sympathy to chrome devs as i do to troops in the US military
all that said I think I am gonna start learning rust
Rust is great, the only problem is when you have to go back to other languages and you don’t have the luxury of cargo and the 50 other things surrounding the language that make developing for it so easy.
the novel memory management is neat but I always find the rampant use of macros to be a huge roadblock to doing anything quickly any time I try to pick it up. but I’m not coming from cpp so I don’t think I’m the target audience
I’m well aware that lemmy doesn’t use node I just said “like these” bc i was targetting my comment towards ppl that aren’t software devs.
I think it’s uncontroversial, maybe even trite to state that JS tech like node was instrumental in the language’s adoption and the explosion of web apps, electron apps, etc.
I’m sorry for being so curt. The bad vibes I got from that article really bled into me.
Web is huge and nodejs was groundbreaking, but I just feel very miffed that the people who were part of the big push to Web as the de-facto development platform whether they intended to or not are now selling themselves as missionaries for silicon valley, this bubbling optimistic enthusiasm feels so off to me.
people most often believe what they want to believe so what this says to me is that even though he is very smart, he wants to believe we have figured out/are on the very cusp of figuring out GAI so he is much more inclined to take evidence that suggests that supports what he wants to believe (OMG LOOK THEY PASSED THE TURING TEST!?!?!?) at face value rather than thinking about whether the turing test is actually even a valid way of determining this kind of thing or not.
also, even more cynically, agi being around the corner would increase his own station as an AIvangelist and tech person of note (more TED-style talks in front of other bespectacled 30-50 year olds)
yeah he could always be literally lying to make more money if he’s involved in the industry lol
the people inside the mechanical turk will have to do some amount of thinking I suppose
In most corners of the Internet thinking is already extinct so no probably not
It’ll just make Idiocracy a documentary, or whatever.
