Typical westerner who says all AES states are bad, and takes a single word someone says and tries to read entire worldviews into it. Putting so much effort into trying to spin what i said as somehow inhumane when i was clearly making a distinction between people who actively choose to be child predators, and those who do not. Not making statements as to the effectiveness of the American justice system.
Then talking about rehabilitation for people like that as if its the same thing as rehabilitating an emperor who was ignorant and insulated, and whose crimes were systemically taught to him as a good thing/necessary his entire life.
These people went against what is societally acceptable in their own societies. To harm children in the most despicable way possible in order to fufill their own desires. Regardless of how nice to might sound to say we can just “Fix” them we cant. We don’t know how. If one day we figure out WHY they do what they do, and how we can fix them then sure we can do that. But its not something we know how to do.
To let them walk the streets again registry or not is untenable. Did you read the article i sent you? Those men China executed commited long-term coordinated crimes against children to the point some of those children took their own lives. You would what? Put them in jail for a few years then put them on a list, release them, and hope they don’t do it again? That is absolutely irresponsible and ridiculous. It not only allows those very people to go commit the same crimes again, but tells others who might think of doing those crimes that they will survive it even if caught.
As for your focus on “deserve” for some reason. As the original comment was talking about people who don’t want to be pedophiles, but are. I was making a distinction. The people in jails for it are the ones who DID act on it. Hence they deserve to be imprisoned and are in a seperate category than those who DID NOT act on it. Because i was pointing out how people do not get sent to prison for simply thinking pedophillic things and never acting on it. It’s the action that gets them arrested.
As for you refusal to see my point on the justice system i will remind you America is not the only country on earth. Why would i bring up America centric issues like its justice systems tendency to wrongfully convict when talking about a global issue. On top of that the justice system in any nation does not exist to get 100% of its convictions right all the time anyway. It exists, in a functional nation atleast, to ensure stability. You can’t just allow criminals who would harm others to walk around freely. So we have to rely on imperfect systems that sometimes can get it wrong. We take efforts to make them get it wrong less often of course, but it’s just something that happens.
This is why we have trials, and we treat a conviction of a crime as confirmation that someone DID do that crime not because it is correct 100% of the time, but because it is more often than not correct, and it is the only mechanism we have to determine someones innocence or guilt. If you want to advocate for a different system to do this then that’s great, and i hope you find one that gets the answer right more often. It’s not relevant to this conversation though. Justice systems vary by country, and sometimes even regions within a country. The effectiveness of these is something each nation has to handle on its own. Until then we have no choice but to assume those convicted are guilty as that is the entire point of having trials. To throw out that assumption wholesale would lead to having no mechanisms to determine guilt or innocence at all.
Anyway to close yes i allign politically with modern day China on most things. If you consider that to mean i am “Aesthetically Communist” and actually some sort of reactionary then thats great for you. Personally i think that your the one being aesthetically communist while refuting any system that actually works to empower the workers. Let me guess your a big fan of european socialist communes that ultimately failed? Certain westerners tend to love socialism as long as it doesnt actually threaten capitalism in the slightest. But as soon as an AES state is successful they’re “Evil Authoritarians” lol. It’s just a coincidence that your views on China allign with US foreign policy interests right? Couldn’t possibly be because they’ve purposefully cultivated that view among their people in order to support their own goals, and keep actual leftist sentiment under control, and focused on ineffective means of combating capitalism right? So keep on despising every country that is Americas enemy for being authoritarian. It’s such an easy position to hold when your in the west I’m sure nobody gives you push back on it. Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, etc would all agree with you. China bad. DPRK bad. etc.
Typical westerner who says all AES states are bad, and takes a single word someone says and tries to read entire worldviews into it. Putting so much effort into trying to spin what i said as somehow inhumane when i was clearly making a distinction between people who actively choose to be child predators, and those who do not. Not making statements as to the effectiveness of the American justice system.
Then talking about rehabilitation for people like that as if its the same thing as rehabilitating an emperor who was ignorant and insulated, and whose crimes were systemically taught to him as a good thing/necessary his entire life.
These people went against what is societally acceptable in their own societies. To harm children in the most despicable way possible in order to fufill their own desires. Regardless of how nice to might sound to say we can just “Fix” them we cant. We don’t know how. If one day we figure out WHY they do what they do, and how we can fix them then sure we can do that. But its not something we know how to do.
To let them walk the streets again registry or not is untenable. Did you read the article i sent you? Those men China executed commited long-term coordinated crimes against children to the point some of those children took their own lives. You would what? Put them in jail for a few years then put them on a list, release them, and hope they don’t do it again? That is absolutely irresponsible and ridiculous. It not only allows those very people to go commit the same crimes again, but tells others who might think of doing those crimes that they will survive it even if caught.
As for your focus on “deserve” for some reason. As the original comment was talking about people who don’t want to be pedophiles, but are. I was making a distinction. The people in jails for it are the ones who DID act on it. Hence they deserve to be imprisoned and are in a seperate category than those who DID NOT act on it. Because i was pointing out how people do not get sent to prison for simply thinking pedophillic things and never acting on it. It’s the action that gets them arrested.
As for you refusal to see my point on the justice system i will remind you America is not the only country on earth. Why would i bring up America centric issues like its justice systems tendency to wrongfully convict when talking about a global issue. On top of that the justice system in any nation does not exist to get 100% of its convictions right all the time anyway. It exists, in a functional nation atleast, to ensure stability. You can’t just allow criminals who would harm others to walk around freely. So we have to rely on imperfect systems that sometimes can get it wrong. We take efforts to make them get it wrong less often of course, but it’s just something that happens.
This is why we have trials, and we treat a conviction of a crime as confirmation that someone DID do that crime not because it is correct 100% of the time, but because it is more often than not correct, and it is the only mechanism we have to determine someones innocence or guilt. If you want to advocate for a different system to do this then that’s great, and i hope you find one that gets the answer right more often. It’s not relevant to this conversation though. Justice systems vary by country, and sometimes even regions within a country. The effectiveness of these is something each nation has to handle on its own. Until then we have no choice but to assume those convicted are guilty as that is the entire point of having trials. To throw out that assumption wholesale would lead to having no mechanisms to determine guilt or innocence at all.
Anyway to close yes i allign politically with modern day China on most things. If you consider that to mean i am “Aesthetically Communist” and actually some sort of reactionary then thats great for you. Personally i think that your the one being aesthetically communist while refuting any system that actually works to empower the workers. Let me guess your a big fan of european socialist communes that ultimately failed? Certain westerners tend to love socialism as long as it doesnt actually threaten capitalism in the slightest. But as soon as an AES state is successful they’re “Evil Authoritarians” lol. It’s just a coincidence that your views on China allign with US foreign policy interests right? Couldn’t possibly be because they’ve purposefully cultivated that view among their people in order to support their own goals, and keep actual leftist sentiment under control, and focused on ineffective means of combating capitalism right? So keep on despising every country that is Americas enemy for being authoritarian. It’s such an easy position to hold when your in the west I’m sure nobody gives you push back on it. Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, etc would all agree with you. China bad. DPRK bad. etc.