Last time I used Bluesky, the largest “antifascist” blocklist was run by UWU-“I’m-a-small-bean”-type sexpests who would put leftist women who rejected them/asked them to stop harassing them and their friends on blocklists next to 4chan groypers and shit.
Because of the way Bluesky works, when you get put on a blocklist you disappear completely from the perspective of any users subbed to the blocklist, even if those users follow you. So these sexpests just made a career of creeping on women across the site, getting rejected, putting them on the blocklist, and moving on after the blocked women were effectively silenced. You could not design a better social media platform for harassing women and getting away without suffering any social consequences if you tried. (Aside from just allowing it in the open like X, I guess.)
Bluesky is objectively the moderate wing of Twitter.
It is fundamentally impossible to make a good web site in the twitter format
I think that person got cancelled and that list is no more lol.
Blocklists aren’t great, but I think they’ve lost their shine. Most users I think understand now that it’s very easy for those to become personal grievance lists and don’t pay much attention to them.
It’s not a great site and I’m only there because of how Twitter is and Mastodon feels dead and unwelcoming to me. Really, maybe we don’t need microblogging anymore.
“microblogging” was always a bad idea it was never good
do show-and-tell in your community center with the people in your community instead of showing your whole ass to the world I say
Show and tell is the greatest activity known to humanity and its not just cause I’m autistic
Good.
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He is an ableist shitass, among other things, and I have NO idea why half of you still idolize him as being “leftist” when he’s no different to half the socdems online who survive on internet drama rather than anything of fucking substance.
We need to start doing more litmus tests like the libs imagine we do already; coz if y’all are upset for some guy who talks about neurodivergent folk the same way Fox news anchors talk about classroom litter boxes, then I dont know when the fuck we are getting any kind of revolution beyond ameriKKKa with healthcare subsidies
Someone once said iirc basically he is what happens when you dunk on the most wilfully ignorant people online and slowly start to think that it makes you a genius. I think that more or less describes him up to and including his ableism and transphobia. I suspect that he thinks he’s just being “provocative”, and yeah, being an outspoken bigot tends to provoke people… Asshole.
Someone once said iirc basically he is what happens when you dunk on the most wilfully ignorant people online and slowly start to think that it makes you a genius.
Many such cases!
It’s funny because BE also has many unprincipled and ignorant geopolitical takes. Wasn’t he an Uyghur Genocide guy? So he can’t even claim to be the genius geopolitics understander.
He also does the whole “I’m not like other streamers, I’m a well-adjusted person who doesn’t cultivate parasocial relationships and isn’t addicted to drama” thing while spending 19 hours a day on social media obsessively posting about random streamer nobodies and getting banned from twitter 35 times a month
Iirc his position is that the claim of an actual genocide is obviously incorrect but that china is committing “cultural genocide”. Never mind that this take is self defeating because an actual “cultural genocide” would just be a genocide. Evidence included “they require Uyghur children to receive their schooling in Mandarin”, which is not to my knowledge true. I could be wrong but my understanding is that members of registered ethnic minorities actually have an explicit right to receive schooling in their own language, but they also must be taught Mandarin… Which seems reasonable to me.
There are countless dialects and languages spoken by ethnic minorities in China, all of whom have to learn mandarin in school, for the purposes of being able to communicate. It’s just the same in literally almost every other country, there is mandatory instruction in the official national language. The difference between China and most countries is that they also provide classes in the local dialect/language.
Liberals don’t actually care about “cultural genocide” though, they celebrate it when it’s done against Russian minorities in Eastern Europe. NYT writers cream their pants in ecstasy every time they hear about how Ukraine is “cleansing” their land of Russian cultural influence. Just last week, there was an NYT piece about the necessity of purging Russian language and culture from Ukraine to curb separatism. Liberals love “cultural genocide” when they and their favorite nazi buddies do it. It’s only a bad thing to them when it can be used as a bad faith cudgel.
Just last week, there was an NYT piece about the necessity of purging Russian language and culture from Ukraine to curb separatism.
Just a complete reversal of cause and effect by “journalists”, lmao.
The difference between China and most countries is that they also provide classes in the local dialect/language.
That was my understanding and what I was getting at, yeah. If you have a source I would love it because I have heard this more than once, and went looking for something to back it up but haven’t had much luck either way.
New atheism fell prey to the same effect (well, that and unexamined racism)
I fucking hate this shit.
Liberal tone policing is one of many forms of classism that ultimately functions to ensure the only people with voices are those who conform to speaking in a specific manner of speaking determined by the bourgeois who control the platform. It is essentially controlling tone to shut out people who speak differently to the middle income suburban crowd of people with fairly decent upbringings.
It shuts out everyone who might have a rougher background, internationally it shuts out everyone that comes from cultures where rougher backgrounds are more accepted socially, it shuts down speech from cultures where what we call “bants” in the UK is just socially acceptable and expected.
I grew up in squats. I didn’t “speak right” for a long time. I learned to speak in the sniff your own farts style that online liberals expect and I switch between tones based on audience where I feel I’m forced to. Not everyone can do this and a huge portion of the working class who don’t speak right but have perfectly valid (and sometimes good) opinions are shut out just because some fucking liberal can’t take the fact that they pepper the things the write with swearsies and fruitful imagery.
It’s classist and I fucking hate it. I will always loudly oppose tone policing. I do not give a fuck if someone is rude while they say correct things, they should not be shut out. Doing so is bourgeois moralism.
Anyone celebrating this just because it’s Empanada is wrong.
This is a great take. Badempanada should be banned for being a bigot, not scolded for his tone.
Yes exactly. Get people on actually important shit, not their tone. Tone does not make someone incorrect, and almost everyone will have a bad tone once in a while just because mood is a thing.
It’s also just something that results in shitheads baiting anger and then getting the other guy banned
I’ve lost so many accounts on so many platforms like that
Correct fuckin take
Excellent take
Agree on not excluding people for how they use language, 100%.
Seeing someone present themselves as “Agent of Chaos and Hate” on a platform that is meant to be the opposite, is a good reason to do something about them. There are other platforms like 4chan for people like that.
That’s literally just fruity language knowing full well liberals will fucking hate him because he disagrees with them at a spiritual level on almost every single topic.
The dude doesn’t filter himself for you and leans into the fact he knows you’ll hate him anyway. You’re just justifying your classism and finding your own way to shut down takes that you personally disagree with by saying “he’s rude about them”. You’re doing exactly what I just fucking said is classism.
I don’t know what else to say. You’re a classist. A stinky middle income liberal that demands people speak a certain way or be excluded from the space. If you’ve ever wondered why the working class turns away from liberals it’s because they can feel the classism permeating every conversation you have with them, although most of the time they’ll communicate it as “elitism”. It’s exactly the kind of offputting shit from the libs that the far right has seized upon and pandered to successfully by the likes of Farage and so on. They lean into it, they tell the working class “yes you’re right about those stuck up elitist liberals” and then they become best buds over hatred for the way you judge them and behave towards them from the high castles of liberal moralism you’ve created to shut them out.
That is quite an opinion you have there.
Ugh, I wasn’t immediately onboard with Awoo’s assessment of you but then you went and proved it right in eight words
you’re doing it right now, just oozing smugness
You know how poc can tell when they’re speaking to a racist through various cues and feelings without any overt direct racism occurring? Well it’s the same for classism.
You do not really know when to stop, do you? The ad hominem attacks simply make it completely uninteresting to interact with you. Even if your points are valid, which I am not getting in to, they will not be read (at least by me). Some people do enjoy fighting people online. I do not.
If that feels/seems like classism to you, fine. Have a nice day.
EDIT: Also, if that picture is what you have in your head when reading my replies – you are projecting. I have literally never felt like that while conversing online. Nor in real life really. You assume far too much.
The ad hominem attacks
she isn’t doing an argumentum ad-hominem, she’s just insulting you, those are different things (not that it would matter as this isn’t a formal debate)
“your argument is incorrect because you are a dickhead” ← ad hominem
“you are a dickhead” ← just an insult
thank you
now if only we could get people not to use “begs the question” when they mean raises the question
I think it’s good not to do real ad homs in basically any context because it’s still an invalid inference, but you’re also right that it’s not a real ad hom.
You do not really know when to stop, do you?
Holy shit if you don’t want me to fucking reply to your smug ass bullshit just stop replying with smug ass fucking bullshit?
ad hominem
You people say these debate pervert words because you think they’re magic words that automatically place you higher than the other person, in every fucking sentence you’re just looking for ways to elevate yourself above me instead of understand me. You all think you’re digital harry potter casting EXPECTO PATRONUM every time you say this cringe ass shit. Magic “i win” reddit bullshit instead of trying to actually level with someone. All ego.
Yes it’s fucking classism.
Cast some more magic spells harry, logical fallacy my slippery slope. Now I’m just being mean, I wasn’t lying when I said I fucking hate this shit as you can see.
Sorry, but the The ad hominem attacks will not stop . Although there’s no ad-hominem here.
You are a walking breathing caricature lmao
Even if your points are valid, which I am not getting in to, they will not be read (at least by me).
“Lol that picture of a smug vapid piece of shit has exactly zero resemblance to me”
I’d like to hold up a mirror to you for a second if you’ll allow me:
If you were a FUCKING FRACTION as smart as you clearly think you are, wouldn’t you take a second to read the room?
“Erm aksually you’re the smug one. Ad hominem, wengardium leviosa”
I never associate “Ad hominem”, “whataboutism”, etc to magic words but it’s exactly how people see it. They use it and boom they win the argument.
that’s not what an ad hominem is
Here is the picture I have in mind, you’ll have to wait a minute the server is slow:
BlueSky actively removes accounts made by trans comrades and people in general suffering under imperialism. Platform that is meant to be the opposite of chaos and hate, my ass.
"Chaos and hate? How uncouth and republican, we’re more into order and contempt"
negative peace, which is the absence of strife
on a platform that is meant to be the opposite
Bluesky is a liberal hive. There is no shortage of hate, they just dress it up.
No. The problem isn’t that he calls himself an “agent of chaos and hate”, it’s that he’s a fucking bigot. I don’t care that he’s rude, that’s just liberal brainworms. I care that he’s a massive piece of shit bigot. And yeah, being a bigot is also “rude” but I hope you appreciate that that’s not what’s wrong with bigotry.
Bluesky is a platform that’s meant to be the opposite of chaos and hate? I do suppose the genocide denial and warmongering isn’t considered chaotic or hateful because it’s the default mode for liberals, but no hate? lol. lmao even.
Its the old “white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice” again.
(I’m sure this is a familiar text to Hexbear readers, but for those visiting, this is quoted from MLK’s Letter From Birmingham Jail
That is the gist of what I got from its presentation when it was new. I hardly nor visit most social media, my perspective may be dated and/or flawed.
Waffles!
are they wrong? tone policing is bad of course but the guy is rude and a piece of shit.
lets play a word game. every transphobe should be x. what is x?
They’re wrong that the correct response is to hide his posts and mark them “rude”, I guess. The correct response is to ban him for being a bigoted dickhead.
x=
I’ve always been pretty good at math
He’s also a an anti black racist who won’t stop using the term house slave to refer to an Arab sellout. I’ve defended him before for being a bastion against liberal Zionism years before 10/7, but yeah fuck him
x = “mindwiped and allowed to try again”
repeat until correct conclusion is reached
sadly, we do not have the technology for mind wiping. but we do have handy high speed lead applicators that can clear a mind of any transphobic thoughts.
😤
Thank you for your service.
We support the REAL troops here, Meltyheartlove!
BlueSky is just liberal Xitter 2.0 (also largely for and by crakkkers)
One transphobe down!
so blusky is capable of banning transphobes
could’ve fooled meBluesky: I can excuse liberal transphobia but not whatever this is
I can excuse transphobia but i draw the line at disrespecting the troops
not really, he isn’t banned and it wasn’t for his transphobia
he’s being mildly censored for being an asshole in general
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CW transphobia
This is the same energy as “people only transition to win at sports” fuck that guy, I don’t give a shit about his “correctness”.
"Ehm i said white trans ppl, therefore its not transphobic
"Ew, I remembered that I internally canceled BadEmpanada but I forgot why.
This, this one right here.
lotta ppl in here today seeing “automod rude label” and assuming a degree of innocence afforded to the accused that isn’t warranted. lots of precise and deliberate attention has been applied to this guy and his behavior, the labeller was likely tripped by a degree of reports from trans users matching or exceeding that of lib users, there have been legitimate complaints about badempanada coming from left voices for many years.
folks I don’t want to step on toes, but you don’t have to have an opinion or comment if you aren’t appraised of the situation. it might turn out better to watch
Right, it’s not good that he or anyone else is being labelled “rude”, but it’s also extremely bad that he isn’t being banned outright for being a bigoted asshole.
i had read it more as like how rich white cis gay men are sometimes because they think their privileges will protect them, but that wasn’t the consensus.
CW: Transphobia
He doubles down on it and then says he doesn’t care if they live or die. There is no reading between the fucking lines here.
ah i hadn’t seen the doubling down. what an assclown
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Um Actually ☝️🤓 its not transphobia unless it comes from the transphobic region of Transylvania. /s
Just some casual trans erasure. Cool.
Um Actually ☝️🤓
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Good. Now about all those other bigots?
Robo-
Sitewide blocked for: meanie >:(
To be fair the dude is an outspoken bigot and should be banned rather than just his posts hidden
Why is he even on there in the first place? It’s Bluesky. Lib central.
He is making money with content and this is where his audience is. /speculating
probably got banned on twitter for the 13th time
Yes and he’s a lib.
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I’ve seen it claimed in the comments here that this is liberal tone policing, but also that BadEmpanada takes the “bullying works” attitude towards interacting with liberals that we have here in the past. I’m not sure which is true, fortunately I don’t know anything about him other than that he’s transphobic. I don’t think both can be true unless BluSky does this to other people who don’t bully. Bullying is not a tone issue, it’s antisocial behavior and some amount of censorship of it is appropriate.
I find BadEmpanada to be an asshole even when I’m agreeing with him.
Yeah, he’s racist, ableist and transphobic. “Bullying works” is already a bit iffy, but he just goes straight to the bigotry.
Yikes, the more I read about him the more I’m glad he’s gone.
What an odd way to find out it’s time to ditch Bluesky
😔
Stolen valor.
Wait ur not civility
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I can only hope my enemies will one day declare me Rude
