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“Very successful” is just Trump’s mouth. The damage is very minimal. The hearts of the facilities are very deep underground. Add to that, Iran had already evacuated everything 3 days before the attack.
I’ve seen one Vietnamese netizen speculated that it’s all a show, that Trump has secretly notified Iran about the attack. Let’s see if they’re right by measuring Iran’s retaliation against the US: If Iran would only fight with words, it would be proven.
Amerikkkan “politics” are wild
Strange days when MTG is making the most sense.
Finding myself agreeing with MTG and Tucker Carlson has made for a wild week.
We live in an upside-down world.
I guess ‘war makes strange bedfellows’ applies on the anti-war side too
They are eating each other.
If MTG is the sane one between the two of you, you know you are deadly wrong
So I know US “checks and balances” are kind of a joke and US laws aren’t exactly famous for being humanitarian in the first place, but is this even legal under US law? My understanding is congress voted for the infamous “Iraq war” and congress is supposed to be consulted for going to war, and has not been consulted for Iran. This action taken seems to be effectively an informal declaration of war. I don’t see how else one could interpret it. No matter what Trump posts on the internet, you can’t just bomb someone and then say you want peace and no consequences. And that’s on top of the fact that he obviously doesn’t want peace and neither does israel.
Not that it’s really a surprise, considering Trump behaves like the other branches of government don’t exist. But I guess what I’m getting at is, even at basement level US standards, this seems to be a violation of its own laws.
The idea that the US has any restrictions on violence or war, formal or informal, is an illusion. It’s part of the facade of “liberal democracy”.
The US hasn’t “declared war” since WW2, but has militarily killed somewhere in the area of 15 million people since then by my estimate. Probably a lot more when you add in all the illegal unilateral sanctions. The UN exists to legitimize US wars and imperialism, and fails to do even that most of the time. There are zero consequences, so the only meaningful policy the us has adhered to in the last 100+ years is “might makes right”.
If you consider excess deaths from the birth of US (including all that is not “direct” military action) it is likely to be 500 mill - 1 billion deaths.
Addendum - conservative estimates
That would include the federal reserves concentration camps and the Indian Residential fake School death camps. The federal reserves are the first concentration camps where Indigenous people continue to suffer from planned imprisonment, planned starvation, planned chemical attacks, and planned assaults by white rapists across the British diaspora. The Indian Residential fake schools were used by the British colonizers to gain free child slaves for competition against the Soviets, free child soldiers, free human child experimental subjects for vital human health research, free ransom money from Indigenous parents, and free stolen inheritance. For greater hypocrisy to their Christian slagan, the Indian Residential fake School system also became the churches of the anti-Christ where European immigrants gave child sacrificial offerings to the many demons and fake gods that the European immigrant slave drivers were hypocritically worshipping.
Yeah, the number has to be insanely high. It’s hard enough starting at 1945 with direct military deaths, then you add in all the residual deaths from chemical weapons, depleted uranium, starvation sanctions and embargos, forced sterilization and eugenics, massacres by fascist puppet regimes, agricultural destruction… It’s beyond imagination for me.
And yet, your average amerikkkan seems to think the number is statistically irrelevant, and wants to deport you for defaming the perfect angel savior of global democracy.
I no longer believe in Chomsky’s manufacturing consent. I think the right wingers are correct when they say the media gives the “people” ( I strongly believe the reactionary masses make up the “elite” rather than just billionaires) what they want in the US; the narratives are a license for their violent bigotry as they understand at some level they benefit from the exploitative relationship the US has with the rest of the world (even the vassal states that benefit from this hegemony).
If having the ability to livestream the genocide on their phones for the past couple of years isn’t going to change their minds, then their consent for murder was never manufactured in the first place.
Yeah, that’s fair, though it seems like they’re more so dropping the facade under Trump. This isn’t exactly a covert action or taking the time to manufacture consent in the power structure, instead is Trump blasting stuff out on social media after just doing it.
Definitely on the facade thing. There are two political factions in the US: “Mask On” and “Mask Off”. Each of these political theatres have a huge fanbase.
To make it worse I belive it was after 9/11 but it might have been earlier, Congress authorized the President to start a “conflict” with any nation they deem as a threat, just so long as it legally is not called a war the president can do it.
Though this is irrelevant because the law does not matter in the US its a fiction no one is willing to follow any more.
Honestly, that kind of law never existed.
Even going back to early post colonial history. Like Gen. Andrew Jackson (before he was president) was just unilaterally starting wars with Spain and indigenous peoples without asking for approval from anyone. Mexico was invaded by a cabal of US slave owners and their armies, which is essentially how Texas became a territory. Hawaii was similarly taken by a capitalist coup and just shoved under the empire’s umbrella for the sake of capitalist expansion. There are some accounts that JFK didn’t know about the bay of pigs invasion plans.
One thing I consider a good framework of history is this:
The predecessor to the CIA, the OSS, was an information gathering agency. Parenthetically they were involved in doing a lot of money laundering to hide ties with Nazi Germany and other financial crimes. But it operated under the orders of the Presidential Office. When the CIA was proposed to replace the OSS after WW2, the Dulles brothers both made the argument that the CIA should not be constrained to:
- Only gathering intelligence, but also capable of doing any covert or military type operation.
- Require approval from any political office for any of its operations. This was argued because of chain of command could be disrupted, thus neutralizing the CIA.
- That it’s operations do not need to be disclosed to higher political offices, in the interest of national security.
This created a shadow government that was only accountable to its self. We all probably know Allen Dulles was a Nazi sympathizer. Before WW2 he worked for the German agency which paid the SS. Allen even tried to convince his brother to get the US to join the war on the side of the Nazis. But after the war the CIA became the new center for Nazi power that was a state within a state. It filled it’s ranks with Nazis and other fascists, and purged any communist/socialist sympathizers which existed in the OSS (who, by some accounts may have saved Ho Chi Minh’s life when he had malaria).
The first Reichstag moment was probably the JFK assassination. The second was probably
We all probably know Allen Dulles was a Nazi sympathizer.
I often think about that. According to what I remember hearing or reading from Aaron Good, FDR would have charged Dulles with treason after the war. Dulles was literally helping Nazi leadership escape Germany towards the end of the war. Except that of course he died before then, and his nominally socdem VP Henry Wallace had been forced off the ballot for the 1944 election in favour of the more anti-communist and pro-capital Harry Truman. Truman would be convinced to start the CIA and give them the mission to do whatever they want in service of Wall Street, and the Dulleses went into history not as traitors and Nazi collaborators but as accomplished statesmen crucial to the foundations of the empire as we learned to know it since.
I think about it a lot too. I think those two laid the foundation that the State Department is the political branch of the CIA. The Nazi empire was rehabilitated and folded into the American empire largely because of those two.
I am not trying to argue that having this law shows any consiquence, as I said the law is a legal fiction, the issue is that the cries that this is illegal are not only irrelavant but arguably incorrect due to the power congress keeps delegating to the president.
I understand that, and I agree with you. I’m just looking at this from the point of the kinds of deep structural loopholes that invalidate those laws. They tried to litigate all this during Iraq 2, and it went nowhere. It proved the laws are only there for show. There were no consequences either, and even the opposition party rehabilitated Shrub as a shining example of a “good republican”.
Starts match
Scores one (1) point
“We should stop now.”
Saying NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE after dropping six bunker busters is like if I said NOW IS THE TIME TO SUCK MY NUTS after I had a bilateral orchidectomy and they were incinerated. Like, yeah, that’d be nice if it happened, but it’s not going to happen and you know it. Anyway, I hope he eats a rake
what a pathetic loser who only bombs countries that won’t send bombs back. It’s telling they never drop bombs on Russia or China despite all the posturing.
Not even on DPRK. In case of dealing with USA peace is the question and nuclear bomb is the answer.
It was always going to happen. It’s a country that said no to racial supremacy in the region. That’s the reason, always has been, always will be.
Iran was couped in 1953, not as a matter or regional racial supremacy, but because of imperialism. They overthrew their US controlled puppet regime. This is about anti-colonialism, anti-imperialism and national sovereignty.
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Iran doesn’t have the capability to conduct an “all-out war across the region.” The are going to condemn the attack, launch another couple hundred missiles at Israel, and then hope that the US and Israel get bored and stop.
Iran is not at war with the region, the region is at war with Shitrael, The US, US proxies and military occupations in that reigon
Most of the region is neutralized. Who else openly opposes the US and Israel besides Iran, Anshar Allah, Hezbollah and Hamas?
The people do, even if some of the cowardly governments are afraid to speak. It’s always been a tenuous hegemony that cannot exist forever. It will collapse under these conditions.
