Okay not just AI but in general most business uses should be lowest on the electricity priority list
Before telling people to raise their AC to relieve pressure on the power grid, AI data centers should be shut down, most offices should be closed and powered down, etc.
The very last electric appliances to be turned off should be residential AC units. Basically everything else should go before those.
The very last electric appliances to be turned off should be residential AC units
I don’t think a mostly for-comfort utility should be the last to shut down. There is a lot of significantly more important shit, like hospitals, water treatment plants and pumping stations, coolers and freezers which are storing food, public transit, etc.
After all, our species has survived without AC for hundreds of thousands of years, but surviving without running water or safe food is much more difficult.
Even some datacenters can be more important, e.g. those predicting the weather or handling communications.
And if AC is necessary for survival in a place, then maybe we shouldn’t fuckin’ settle there (or at least shouldn’t cover the entire place with asphalt and concrete). What happens during a real blackout? Does everyone just die?
After all, our species has survived without AC for hundreds of thousands of years
Other things our species survived without for hundreds of thousands of years include water purification, cancer treatment, obstetrics, antibiotics, sterile medical instruments, and agriculture.
No, actually this one is okay. The main reason we need so much AC is our buildings are poorly insulated and not designed for heat management. They have old Arabic buildings from before writing that have complicated design features for heat abatement and people didn’t even stay in side as much as we do now.
Capitlaism won’t let us have nice insulation. Like, good insulation is my number one pet peeve in home design. Everything else you can work around but there really is no replacing quality insulation.
Sorry if it’s unrelated, I understand the meme but what’s the background of it?
It’s an image from a study of Allied bombers during World War 2. The red dots are places where the plane was shot, yet still managed to return home. A knee-jerk reaction would be to add armor to these places, but the real solution was to add armor to the places where the suvivors hadn’t been shot (cockpit, engines, tail), resulting in more planes surviving their bombing runs.
Oooh thank you. I thought the background was about a plane crash and where survivors would need to be to survive
Survivorship bias
My point is that way more humans can survive a couple weeks without AC than a couple weeks without water or food.
I can survive years without AI though
Oh yeah, AI in its current form can fuck right off.
Yeah ok but most households probably don’t absolutely need an AC, there’s definitely people that would be put at risk if they didn’t have one but on average in the west I don’t think it’s the case.
In large parts of the US it’s absolutely the case, and even in Europe every time they have a heatwave (which is every summer now) a ton of old people die
I don’t think a mostly for-comfort utility should be the last to shut down.
at-risk people die without A/C when it’s 100F and 95% humidity.
And if AC is necessary for survival in a place, then maybe we shouldn’t fuckin’ settle there (or at least shouldn’t cover the entire place with asphalt and concrete).
People settled there because A/C became available. You can’t just shut off the A/C and cackle while the elderly and infirm die of heat stroke.
What happens during a real blackout? Does everyone just die?
people do pretty much every time it happens due to hurricanes in Texas, yes.
People settled there because A/C became available.
I don’t disagree with your broader point, but even hellish places like Phoenix predate A/C.
Humidity is the difference.
Kuala Lumpur, Ho Chi Minh City, Bangkok, Honolulu, Singapore all predate A/C.
And people still die when they lose A/C in Texas. I don’t know what to tell you, that is the reality of what happens.
Again, I don’t disagree with your broader point, I’m just pointing out that “People settled there because A/C became available” is factually inaccurate.
People settled there because A/C became available
Yeah, but like, don’t. Or at least cover your house with solar. If you need a literal life support system and are dependent on a centralized power grid for that with no backup, you will die.
You can’t just shut off the A/C and cackle while the elderly and infirm die of heat stroke.
I agree that in places like that AC should be among the critical systems which are the last to shut down, but it’s also important to note that the vast majority of inhabited places on earth are not like that (yet).
Yeah, but like, don’t. Or at least cover your house with solar. If you need a literal life support system and are dependent on a centralized power grid for that with no backup, you will die.
Sorry gramma, a lemmitor said you shouldn’t have been born in the armpit of america, so you’re going to have to either die when power shuts down or drop everything and move.
you’re going to have to either die when power shuts down or drop everything and move.
That’s not my opinion, that’s a sad fact of life. If you can’t move, get a backup electricity supply. Blackouts happen.
bootstraps liberalism strikes again
hrrhrrm can we please retain civility and refocus our attention on the 3 vs 5 tits debate at hand
Nah, it’s colonial settlers living in a place where they shouldn’t, and then capitalists plastering everything with heat-absorbing asphalt because it’s more profitable to force people into car-centric hellholes. If you are unfortunate enough to live in a place like that, prepare a backup power source, because it’s not feasible to build a power grid which never has blackouts.
Of course, it would be nice to have a government that would provide everyone in such regions with backup electricity sources, but that ain’t happening with capitalists in power, and recommending that grandma should lead a communist uprising is not that helpful
You must be lost. This is hexbear where we shit in the toilet, not on our big balls. We believe in the power of love, but not the power of being a smarmy wpos.
I bet you don’t even eat beanis.
I don’t think a mostly for-comfort utility should be the last to shut down
I don’t think
mostly for for-comfort
should
Pretty sure this entire line which began and summarizes your whole comment is literally 100% opinions, and they’re your opinions.
After all, our species has survived without AC for hundreds of thousands of years,
What’s climate change
The human species has lived through an era when the average temperature on Earth was about the same as it is now. It’s true that (very) soon it won’t be the case (it looks like the climate is truly fucked and we’ll get the hottest year since humans evolved in a decade or so, and then shoot right past that and into real hell on earth territory).
a mostly for-comfort utility
that mostly is doing a lot of heavy lifting
https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/how-school-hvac-systems-affect-learning
https://www.nber.org/digest/aug18/hotter-school-days-less-learning-unless-theres-ac
Yeah, I also wanted to mention that AC in critical workplaces, schools and kindergartens should also be given priority over residential AC, but the comment was already too long.
Obviously I’m oversimplifying to an extent. There are obviously essential services that should be prioritized over residential areas, but my point is that most business uses should be lower priority than residential.
Also AC saves lives. Every time there’s a big blackout during a heatwave people die. Especially the elderly.
I agree that we shouldn’t have people living in those places, Texas and Florida should be permanently evacuated. But currently people do live there and I’d rather they not die.
One of the more underreported topics regarding ‘AI’ is the massive amount of power they consume.
I work for an electric utility that a few years ago was in talks of having another merger, just a couple years after the last, to give an idea of how thin things were.
Now? Said company will be adding gigawatts of additional generation over the next 5-10 years, multiple new large plants, almost solely because of this phenomena. Population growth has been static in this region, and no major plants have been shuttered, the growth is almost solely due to this crap.
But see, that’s just the market forces building the infrastructure like they’re supposed to.
And in a couple years when someone drives a truck full of ANFO into the datacenter and turns it into a crater the size of Rhode Island, that’ll just be the market forces correcting themselves and then we just won’t need to have rolling brownouts, right?
Nobody wants 5 tits
why can’t I have no tits and 5 environment?
I’ll settle for 2 (two) small tits and many environment. Actually, I already have the tits so I really just need the environment.
uh actually i do want quintuple-breasted uncanny valley waifus and ecological devastation tyvm
#BrownOutsForAll
“I assumed this meant more racist deportations! Now I can’t power my gooncave with 18 monitors showing an endless stream of AI hallucinations of five-breasted women!”
before Total Recall there was Eccentrica Gallumbits! The far famed triple breasted whore of Eroticon 6! had to draw the pics myself though
So is this still going off the vague estimate given my a google exec regarding AI power usage compared to a search engine that was reported on and then cited over and over again? I’m no fan of AI slop but the power usage of industrial shit is massive compared to a bank of GPUs roleplaying as waifus.
What about ONE boob?
MONOBOOB
Gonna stick my neck out here (in response to some of the replies I’m seeing) but there’s nothing wrong with having your air conditioning at 27°C (unless you have some very particular health condition I guess?) and if we were to do things right as a society, that would probably mean rationing resources like AC so that everyone could have access to them
