Thanks Johnny Silverhands.
“As usual, leftists are championing a doomed cause” kids are literally getting mass murdered you fucking stupid piece of shit. What the absolute fuck is wrong with liberals?
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people can have values beyond posturing? What? You don’t simply drop your values when a liberal tells you something isn’t “politically viable”?
Honestly, in the past, I’ve been willing to lower my expectations for things based on the magical “political viability” threshold that only liberals seem to be able to see, but killing kids is just one that I just can’t for the life of me seem to get past. I know, it’s a weird one, and it’s a big ask, but I just don’t think we should genocide children.
oh, we have a “political viability” chart you can use to decode what liberals find acceptable:
They have zero values, not even pragmatism. It is just sophistry to save the status quo.
They are all for “lesser evil” if it’s about electing a neoliberal ghoul, but when the lesser evil would be not arming Ukraine and trying diplomacy, then they will be all for absolute moralism, because of “western values”
Unbelievable, people have an actual cause rather than everything being done same with their brand.
the liberal has no beliefs. She believes in nothing other than aligning with what she perceives is the socially acceptable left-liberal position. It should have been obvious she no longer had a soul when she was willingly hanging out with Hillary Clinton. Contrapoints is not a person with beliefs other than she deserves an audience. She’s an empty vessel, she’s a husk who wants attention. She wants a personal mythology and adoring fans. Everything she says is run through a filter to calculate the best possible audience retention. This is a person for whom beliefs and internal conviction are not an avenue to change the world, but rather beliefs are a malleable problem to be solved by choosing the correct postures in order to gain some mythical mainstream appeal.
The liberal is someone who believes there is a correct position, not necessarily correct on its own merits or based upon personal experience, but instead it’s correct by virtue of how much of an audience it can get. But it’s not even properly calibrated, it’s based on the perception of what a broad liberal audience may agree with. Like I’m reminded of how Chuck Schumer has an imaginary retired couple who lives in Long Island or something, and before he does anything, he considers what their opinion might be. Liberals have given themselves imaginary brain creatures who whisper in their ears on what to say and do, because they know if they only acted based on conviction, if they only said words based on their own beliefs, the only words out of their mouths would be “i want to be popular.”
Oh god Chuck Schumer and the Bailey’s. His fictional long island family.
You are so right about liberals believing in there being a “correct” position. Everytime I get woke scolded on Reddit for trying remain consistent with my ideology it’s some liberal angry that my position would alienate a certain percentage of the potential audience or voter pool or whatever. Well or it’s a conservative Nazis who literally just wants to punish everyone they feel deserves it; of course the liberals will defend their right to say that, curious they never defend me though.
She would say something to the effect of that you should put your convictions in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first. She’d at least have a point in saying this, but I think the real problem is that she pretends to be a Realist by assigning “giving up” the eternal title of being More Realistic. She has no analysis of causes and material conditions most of the time, and in the rare cases that she does (when it helps attack the left), she looks at it only on the timescale of one election cycle. She has no concept of what activism is actually for because she can’t imagine doing something other than triangulating with what is popular already.
The practical material truth of every single claim she makes in this post that isn’t about her feelings (which is half the post) is either heavily misleading or overtly false, because it would compromise her doomerism to see how progress has been made by the Palestine activists, or understanding that activism is almost always an uphill battle of popularizing your position rather than always being popular and aligning your actions to flatter whatever you calculate the most people to currently like. Like, imagine applying her current logic to the struggle for trans rights as it was 20 years ago. She would basically tell you to give up because transphobia is overwhelmingly the default position and many proponents of trans rights are viewed as freaks and worse (due to transphobia, etc.). Contra at the time would never say to give up because, however uphill it was (and still is), her life was on the line with many others to oppose the whole neoliberal establishment on this issue. Now, her life is not on the line with the whole establishment, as the Democrat order is perfectly comfortable to her as a rich e-celeb, so rocking the boat is viewed as a threat at least as bad as the fascists. Therefore, people struggling with issues that are not yet popular should roll over and die, and those with popular issues that bring tumult to the Democrats should do the same, and according to her the cause of Palestine is both of these things, depending on which one makes it look worse in the moment.
contrapoints strikes me as the kind of person who would say "free Palestine… from Hamas
"When I am in a smugness competition and my enemy is Contrapoints
As usual, leftists have championed a doomed cause
Algeria: Liberated.
Vietnam: Liberated.
India: Liberated.
Zimbabwe: Liberated.
South Africa: Liberated.
Ethiopia: Liberated.
Burkina Faso: Liberated.
Mexico: Liberated.
Cuba: Liberated.
Countless other former colonies: Liberated, liberated, liberated.But Contrapoints has said Palestine will never be free, so
She is consistent because she supports the sides that fought against their liberation. She is not gonna support liberation because she realised her side is against liberation and she chose to double down instead of stopping her wrongs
Doomed cause
Ah! well it appears that the white lady has decided the struggle she has not engaged in whatsoever is futile, time to nuke the gaza strip i guess!!!
fucking coward, we should [loud beep]
Nat Turner’s(and countless others through history) slave revolution lost and they were killed. Should they have been content to remain enslaved because they wouldn’t win? Same for the Warsaw ghetto uprising, which she should care about since it was white Jews doing it.
There’s something just so vile about this sort of “Optics liberalism” where it’s more important to get “people” on “your side” than it is to actually stand for anything. That being inane and inoffensive is more important than actually making a difference. This idea that actually wanting to do something about a problem is just as bad as the problem itself, this insistence on tiny, incremental steps towards “change” instead of actually doing something about a problem. The sheer spinelessness of it all, while acting like she is “brave” for going against leftist opinion about Palestine and being pro"a bit less genocide, as long as we say Hamas is just as bad." something that might’ve flown 2-3 years ago, but Israel is far too mask off now, even most libs recognise it. No wonder Hillary Clinton is her best friend, they’re both just as tone deaf as each other.
She’s not tone deaf lol. I bet you she gets giddy just thinking about how her deliberately contrarian post just triggered thousands and thousands of angry leftists out there.
That’s a good point, she probably carefully crafted this specifically to piss off as many people as possible so she could play the victim, just like her Zionist buddies. She’ll carefully comb the responses to this for anyone saying anything openly anti-semitic or transphobic and use that as proof that she is right and justify her Zionism further.
thousands and thousands of angry leftists out there.
All two of us!
Grumble grumble
For some reason I didn’t make the connection before, but if we pretend that she’s trying to be progressive, her argument is tailism. She’s not trying to get people on her side, she’s deciding her side based on where she thinks more people already are without any interest in agitating for people to develop better positions, to benefit a good cause rather than just a popular one (and anti-zionism is characterized as unpopular at first before calling it popular to accuse it of giving Nazis cover). It’s a perfect microcosm of her politics, where she thinks “having power” means conforming to the group that has power so they support you, as though you can thereby accomplish anything but what that group was already doing.
Heartache is powerful, but democracy is subtle. Incrementally, you begin to notice a change in the weather. When it snows, the flakes are softer when they stick to your worry-worn forehead. When it rains, the rain is warmer. Democracy is coming to the Administrative Region. The ideals of Dolorian humanism are reinstating themselves. How can they not? These are the ideals of the Coalition and the Moralist International. Those guys are signal blue. And they’re not only good – they’re also powerful. What will it be like, once their nuanced plans have been realized?
The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don’t really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child’s toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn’t change – not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
have you considered that the label flattens the discourse
Left of center dem, it’s time for your discourse flattening
God these libfash are exhausting, endless fellating about shit they have zero perosnal stake in beyond the entertainment of bashing anyone who does anything at all.
I would go as far as to see these people are straight up embarassed fascists but that would require some semblance of political self awareness and education
r/breadtube getting her ass, surprisingly
I think we need to spend another year arguing over the nuance of ethnic cleansing vs. genocide before I can make a clear decision on what side I support.
The time for talking about diplomacy was sometimes during the last 75 years. At this point a moral and practical country would be choking Israel in military & technology sanctions, arresting any & all members of the government & military who set foot within their borders, shooting down Israeli jets & drones to enforce a no fly zone, and bombing any & all Israeli military & paramilitary targets into dust.
Hamas has tried diplomacy but the Israeli response is always either “No” or “actually Hamas violated the peace treaty!” (even though Israel still bombed Palestinians during the ceasefire)
Exactly. But in this case I’m talking about the ‘western liberal democracies’ which constantly fall back on the idea of a diplomacy that they never actually meaningfully attempt before washing their hands and going back to supporting genocide.
and the great march of return was an attempt at non-violent protest, and the Israeli response was to kill a couple hundred people and seriously injure thousands more.
of course it was. petty bourgeois “content” “creators” pumping out slop for idiots fresh out of the ideology store
Where did you get your ideology? The toilet store?
Found it in this trashcan actually
Where did you get your ideology?
Have you heard of this little-known breadtuber called Benito?
I never thought I’d see the lib idea of “changing the name of a thing changes the nature of the thing itself.” but used for genocide of all things.
I feel like they thought they were being sly by sneaking in that apparently diplomacy is the only acceptable way to stop the slaughter of Palestinian civilians. Can’t let those extremists encourage the death of IOF goons.
Breadtube was a mistake
It was a psyop since the beginning
Was it? Or was it just that any left wing content creator on the platform saying anything truly radical would just get banned?
I don’t think that’s entirely true, we still have Hakim and others on YouTube. You can even find audiobooks of Marxist literature etc.
The only people who benefit are the extremists whose powers grow from radicalization.
Yes
The discourse should be flat because genocide is ontologically evil
Your strategy of endlessly critiquing power pales in comparison to my strategy of critiquing the powerless endlessly.
Nani?! She’s using the assistance of gravity to strengthen her downward punches!
This is an absurdly good joke. So good that I had to log in to let you know.
As usual leftists have championed a doomed cause
Perhaps Contra will end up being correct. But, do the Palestinians want us to do anything else? The Palestinians I have spoken to have sometimes resigned themselves to the idea that they might have a doomed cause, have they asked me to stop championing that cause? No. Why? Every single one of them wants to TRY.
And that’s what matters. That you try.
Andor’s Nemik speech is extremely fitting here. It may be true that many causes are doomed to fail, but each and every single act of trying is creating more people that are united in the cause of opposing the empire. Ghorman is a doomed cause from the start, there was no saving it even if they had the entire enemy plan it would be carried out effectively, but what its doom creates is millions if not tens of millions of people in opposition to the empire.
The very same can be said of Palestine. They may be doomed, or they may not be, but speaking of doom is not useful. TRY.
Contra does not want to try because it does not benefit her liberal politics. She is a supporter of the empire, not opposition to it, and she knows that our attempts to try create people that are to the left of her, which is not beneficial to her cause.
the way Israel is perceived does seep out into attitudes towards jews in general
No it does not. This is completely bullshit. The antisemites will have that attitude towards jews regardless of the situation in Palestine, and everyone else will immediately love every jew who says “i am not a zionist”. The only jews affected by this situation are zionists, they are not affected because they are jews, they are affected because they are zionists. Every single one of them can disarm any negativity towards themselves immediately by saying they’re anti zionist.
And finally I just want to point out that this whole post exists to disguise the fact she’s admitting that her position is two-state zionism but without actually saying Palestinians should have a state.
And finally I just want to point out that this whole post exists to disguise the fact she’s admitting that her position is two-state zionism but without actually saying Palestinians should have a state.
Her position really does seem to be “I wish my Zionist buddies would just hurry up and finish them off already so I can stop pretending to care about this.”
Also, how did you do that page break thing?
Page break is 3 asterisks on a line by themselves ***
Thank you!
It’s my favourite formatting tool. Makes things very clean.
hyphens (
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I saw a take on Reddit about her that I really liked, and it applies to so many others:
Leftish or socialist-lite people like Natalie do genuinely like the idea of a socialist or at least much more fair and just society. To them, it’s a very nice and pleasant thought. But that’s where it stops for them. They don’t want to think about what it takes to get there. They want to treat a potential better world like a Barbie Dream House; something that’s basically just escapism from the hell we live in now. This is especially easy for libs in the imperial core to do because while we are in hell, our hell is much more comfortable than that of say, the Palestinians or many other people in the periphery. It’s Utopianism, in other words.
And that’s why they hate tankies, because our focus is on how to actually get there. We support China or support Russia’s and Iran’s anti-imperialist actions because it moves the ball forward. They are concrete actions that are necessary to get to that better world. But focusing on the works involved spoils the happy little dream the libs have. Socialism is supposed to be something that will spontaneously appear without struggle or bloodshed. Being told otherwise spoils the dream for them.
They want to treat a potential better world like a Barbie Dream House; something that’s basically just escapism from the hell we live in now.
Meanwhile, leftists (the cougar is the CIA but we never stop trying)
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
“Revolution is not a Barbie Dream House, or a sick Hot Wheels track, or a pillow fort”
-8 year old Chairman Mao
It’s not a doomed cause. We know the dismantling of apartheid ethnostates can happen, because we have done it before. The only doomed solution is the “two-state” solution that would be acceptable to the likes of Nicaraguan Contra Points: One in which Palestinians are permanently dispossessed and under the military thumb of an oppressive regime that they have no voice over. The only outcome of that solution is further violence. The only way to prevent mass violence is to allow the presence of justice.
Didn’t read her liberal zio drivel. It thought I’d check the comments… why did I look at the comments… I was hoping some would be dragging her but it’s all just total parasocial sycophancy
LMAO
My poor settler relatives cry emoji
I both detest how the war is being carried out and also not wanting to join in calls to end the reichskommissariats and expel my friends and family from their homes in the lebensraum
Oh shit, shit, no no no no no no! You can’t compare it to the Third Reich! You’ll get on the Canary Mission if you do that! Look, write this instead:
I both detest how the war is being carried out and also not wanting to join in calls to end the
reichskommissariatscommissariati and expel my friends and family from their homes in thelebensraumspazio vitale.Ahhhh… there, that’s better.
mUh nUaNcE
How-
There was a post from an Israeli settler who wants to leave Israel and to move back to the country where she was born, and ending it with “…but it’s hard to leave your home”
They’re not paying any attention to the words coming out of their mouths. Head empty, just (fucked up) vibes.
‘the dissolution of Israel as a Jewish state’ i.e. universal suffrage
Liberal zionists wringing their hands about that shit when they can see the obvious nonsense in “Europe for the Europeans/Keep America a white Christian state” will never not be infuriating to me.
Genuinely revolting to read, caping for genocide is fucking disgusting, and it wasn’t even debatable pre-Oct 7th. We now see genocide happening in real time, and she capes for it.
Contraporky:
Antisemitism and Anti-zionism are conceptually not the same and conflating them is dangerous but [long spiel about how it’s really important to consider the feelings of the genocidal US-backed ethnostate]
Rabbi Elhanan Beck, London-based Orthodox Jewish Leader:
What is the least safe place in the world for Jews? It is Israel. It started with the Nakba against the Palestinians. The state of Israel is a rebellion against God and they will not succeed. They will come to an end. A person who can justify genocide, a person who can commit genocide is more nazi than Jew.
Rabbi Beck spouting straight fire there
Idealists always say that there’s no reasonable path to destroying Israel through mass struggle and then in the same breath say the reasonable goal is actually transforming the genocidal colonial ethnostate into a pluralistic democracy as if that’s more attainable.
Inevitably they always feel the same way about the dictatorship of the proletariat too.
