• Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      Wow you alarmists are so dramatic. You expect me to pay more and rely on government for something that our generation won’t even see? They said it was global cooling in the 70’s. Global cooling! And now you expect me to believe it’s getting warmer?

        • context [fae/faer, fae/faer]@hexbear.net
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          theory-gary there is nothing we can do to prevent the inevitability of our own demise and all human endeavors are destined to be erased from existence on a long enough time scale. that’s why we can’t have socialism and must maintain the status quo at all costs.

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      Umm what, do you think socialism can do any better? Haven’t you heard of Lake Baikal? /s

      (Paraphrasing my instructor from environmental science 100)

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      It was the ending of a brutal civil war for me. Oddly enough, I’m probably living the most peaceful life I’ve had since then. If I die to climate change then at least I’ll know I enjoyed temporary peace.

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    Under Biden domestic oil production dropped by like 2M (due to covid), from all time highs, and everyone lost their minds. Oil companies will raise prices under any President who event hints at climate actions. That works because those people immediately capitulate and increase production. Obviously that means the other team will go hard the other way and just ramp up production until your tap water turns black and spontaneously combusts.

    I think about LA, a major city where millions live and they still extract oil next to schools, people’s houses, etc. They didn’t even pass an ordinance to stop building new wells/derricks until 2023. And even then it was a 20-year phase out plan and not immediate. So a city where they have a history of high school water supplies being poisoned by an active well next to the football field, won’t even take action. Even the greedy real estate speculators can’t stop chevron from pumping oil in the parking lot of a cheesecake factory. it’s wild how much oil is still in control over everything.

    All that to say is we’re going to blow past predictions. That whole fantasy we have of everyone coming to their senses at 3c is too optimistic. Nobody is going to be aware of anything even when we do 5 or 6c. It’s just going to be terrible things happening and everyone asking why while shooting the people with answers.

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    So waaaay back in the year of our Lord 2014, a little organization called the IPCC was putting together its fifth climate change assessment report. It included what is now considered the wildly pessimistic RCP8.5 emissions pathway. Under that pathway, global temperatures were expected to exceed 1.5 C on average by the 2030s.

    You have to knock about half a degree off their charts to compare to this one because the 1986-2005 average is about half a degree over the pre-industrial average.

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        There’s already disagreement over what the “preindustrial baseline” actually is and folks outside of climatology will just choose a nice-sounding 20-25 year interval between 1960 and 2010, so you’re pretty much on the money. oh-shit