I know that there are a lot of trans people on hexbear, and I know their beliefs are sincere. What I don’t understand is how they square the fact that they would be brutally suppressed, r*****, tortured, murdered by the very groups/governments they unwaveringly love and support. It sickens me. Is it a manifestation of self-hatred? I just don’t get why they would degrade themselves like this.
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All of these horrible countries want to kill all of their trans citizens (bad).
We should bomb them and kill all of their trans citizens (good).
When an egg is cracked from within it is new life bursting forth. When an egg is cracked from without, it is someone’s meal.
Social progress can only come organically from within a society, from the progressive forces of that society. It cannot be imposed from without, and those who claim they are doing so are lying cynically because they wish to feast on everything within. The “white man’s burden” to bring “civilizing values” to the “savages”. The need to “spread democracy” and “topple authoritarian regimes” and be “welcomed as liberators”. Sound familiar?
That feels like a Mao quote. Is it?
believe it’s a chinese parable/expression, not specifically from Mao
Live interview with a Gazan trans person: “I’m starving and my entire family has been murdered by the IOF. Please help us”
Liberal: “Hamas is so cruel to trans people”
Stupid fucking ass moron liberals can’t fathom having multiple different priorities, and in this case holding internationalism and socialism through anti-imperialism as a priority above sexuality or gender-identity.
I actually think they CAN comprehend it because they all hold nationalism above these things anyway. Gender-identity and sexuality to them are deprioritised when it comes to America’s strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia for example, why? Because they are nationalists that place their nationalism and supremacy above that of these issues.
They pretend they can’t understand it but they themselves do the exact same thing. The difference is nationalism vs internationalism determines which countries people do it with.
It all comes back to optimality theory, doesn’t it?
Also, while I get where you’re coming from, please try to refrain from casual ableism towards ID people.
and in this case holding internationalism and socialism through anti-imperialism as a priority above sexuality or gender-identity.
Even that might be giving these libs too much room. There’s no liberation for queer people under the occupation, under Israeli bombs, or as a US colony except for the very richest of them. Israel has killed more queer people in the last couple of years than Hamas has since its election and its not even close, and the development of the imperial periphery will inevitably lead to the loosening of the grip of theocracy (on average) and rights for many minority groups.
But you don’t get it, why would I support any physically existing movement or materially existing organization, when I can instead be a moral purist who doesn’t engage with reality and just criticises “both sides” therefore maintaining the status quo that benefits my western Imperialism?
but they’ve also mentioned they’ve not met a single homeless trans person.
Oh good, shipping homeless people out of sight and out of mind has worked then, glory to the People’s Republic of China!
Literally just describing what the West does and ascribing it to China.
In their minds, China is a place where any instance of wrongthink gets you quietly disappeared into the night, never to be heard of again.
Obviously a strawman, but libs crave for the world to behave like a Marvel movie with clear good and bad guys. In order to believe we (the collective west) are not the bad guys, we have to pretend our enemies’ societies are exhausting hell holes of repression and anguish. In their minds, there is no way they simply have a more hospitable society towards the downtrodden, it must be because they are simply taken out back and dumped in a river.
You can tell because their accusations always match some real shit that occurs in the west, but dialed up to 11.
PJ is a social fascist powermod, I consider their comments and posts to be low-hanging fruit.
for the unaware PJ = pug jesus lol
Evil Chyna hides their homeless people inside affordable homes!1!!
These evil commies much be stopped! (With a bombing campaign).
“It just baffles me why a self-declared vegan woman would firmly support treaty rights, land back and tribal sovereignty for Pacific Northwest Indigenous groups when that literally includes Makah people killing whales as part of a tradition rooted in patriarchs’ authority over women and slaves. Surely the humane and feminist thing to do here is to support the status quo of Makah women living in widespread poverty and ill health as a direct consequence of the settler-colonial paradigm, right‽”
Quoting Engels’ speech “For Poland” (March 24, 1875)
As long as the independent life of a nation is suppressed by a foreign conqueror it inevitably directs all its strength, all its efforts and all its energy against the external enemy; during this time, therefore, its inner life remains paralysed; it is incapable of working for social emancipation.
Indeed, I’ve got a Hell of a lot more in common with a cishet Palestinian man than a non-binary Zionist settler, as sure as I’ve got a Hell of a lot more in common with a cishet homeless man than a non-binary cop.
As long as the independent life of a nation is suppressed by a foreign conqueror it inevitably directs all its strength, all its efforts and all its energy against the external enemy; during this time, therefore, its inner life remains paralysed; it is incapable of working for social emancipation.
Engels sniping these reactionary cockroaches from a century-and-half away
Damn that’s a strong quote. Engels really doesn’t get his due.
150 years later, plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
It’s Castor and Pollux syndrome. People like to simplify things.
Trans people get better healthcare in iran than i do lmao
For those who don’t know transitioning in Iran is covered by the state healthcare. That’s not to say trans people don’t suffer from some intense social pressures and repressions and so on. But legally they are afforded certain healthcare rights we don’t even have in America. Iran is a bit of a stand-out in the Muslim world in this regard.
Libs don’t even try to understand critical support and what it means. Every time it’s just “omg you love Russia and everything they do” or some other nonsense. They have no depth to their thoughts, it’s like the first thing that comes to mind is the thing they will believe for the rest of their lives.
Their knee jerk reaction is their ideology and they have the audacity to act like communists are incoherent? They’re the ones simultaneously telling me the US gov is bad, but we should support US imperialism because bombing trans people is better than their government oppressing them?
I can’t tell you how often I have encountered the viewpoint that “Tankies only support Putin because they think he is a socialist.”
And if you say something like “I have literally never met any ‘tankie’ that believes this and I meet a lot of them,” they will just ignore you. No rebuttal, no insult, usually not even a cursory dismissal. They just act like you didnt say anything
Liberals learned their politics from star wars, expecting any amount of literacy from them is naive
that’s not true that’s impossible
if they learned politics from star wars they would hate america
I kinda wish they were more Andor and less Fall of the Republic
The only people who fit the criteria for the liberal conception of communists are Caleb Maupin and that Haz guy. They’re self styled communists who do speak positively about Putin and modern Russia. They also talk fondly about…the United States and talk shit about…service workers. They’re the ones who are incoherent.
They’re also virulent antisemites and pal around with actual fascists like that Dugin guy. My point here is that Maupin and Haz are probably feds or fed adjacent. And somehow these guys have become what a large groups of liberals believe a communist is.
Ohhh I see, they’ve mistaken the so-called maga communists for something more than national socialists doing yet another appropriation
Yeah but how they’ve even encountered maga communists is a mystery. They’re so niche you have to basically be a politics nerd like one of us. How they conflate maga communists with normal Marxists is another question entirely. The only answer I’ve come up with is there’s someone at the state department pushing this stuff
I imagine a lot of the liberal influencers talk about it and just call them communists. I think that’s the entire point of maga communism even if it isn’t an actual gov run op. The people doing it are all the type to do this kind of shit as a way to get attention and “troll the left”
its actually kind of impressive how well the brainwashing works. they have a gag reflex to opposing views that stops them from even considering it.
Is a gay Palestinian more likely to be killed by Israel or Hamas?
: Here’s what we believe and why we believe it.
: LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU
: I don’t understand why Hexbear believes the things they do, can someone explain? Is it because [thing I pulled out of my ass]?
: Partially, but it’s mostly because [other stuff pulled out of an ass]None of them actually give half a shit about understanding anything, or else they’d ask us, they just want to circlejerk and invent random bullshit to attack us with.
Yep. They want to make even considering the “Hexbear position” a sinful act, they want people to self-flagellate for thoughtcrimes. Libs do this shit all the time, like the Russia-Ukraine war, even considering the why of the war beyond “Putin Bad Man” is treated as a full on sinful act that invites anger and blind rage in these people. Just thinking about and seeking to understand things that could contradict their worldview is the biggest sin of all.
alright everyone it’s time for your MANDATORY SUPPORT you have 
until your account is deleted by the auto-mod. Pledge it under this comment or ELSEMandatory support? More like “man, da tory support is strong on hexbear!”
Of course! Why else would it be called, “Mandatory Palestine?”
Mandatory support
safe!
Mandatory support!
you are safe!
Stalin saved the world from fascism
good no gulag!
mandalorian spork
Why would they spend all the effort making this post when their argument is still “you would get thrown off a roof in [country that scares me]”
Also, ideologies are influenced by material conditions. Reactionary ideologies including transphobia have a tailwind in bad economic conditions, this is obvious in the USA now. Reducing Iran’s (or gaza, yemen, etc) material conditions through warfare only increases the potential of reactionary ideologies to become a problem.
Reactionary ideologies including transphobia have a tailwind in bad economic conditions
China really proved through their economic policies in Xinjiang that it really does reduce chuddery. Within 10 years a hotbed of fundamentalism (funded by America) was effectively eliminated through good public policy and raising the standard of living for millions of people. It’s why the state department is so mad and called it a “genocide” they can’t fathom helping people, they can only think in terms of bombing people.
That’s a good point. I wish I understood the details of how Xinjiang has changed over the years but I know it is doing very well now and Uyghur culture is respected and celebrated.
I wish we had public opinion polling from China, because I’m guessing that any “anti-uyghur” sentiment that existed in the non-uyghur population has also gone down in the past 20 years.
This isn’t exactly true, there’s been a lot more than economic policy in Xinjiang to curb fundamentalism. As a counterexample, Estonia was the most developed, wealthiest and most industrialised USSR republic and it was still a hotbed of anti-russian nationalism.
Of course it’s not the only reason, however the region was negelected after the crazy years since opening up in the west, it’s why it was targeted by America. Once they started investing in the region and re-educating radicals and getting rid of ETIM influence, the region has become as safe as anywhere else in China.
Yeah, fully agreed
Also, even among countries and political organizations that are theocratically queerphobic, it is an exaggeration to call most of them pogromist in that way. The throwing people from rooftops for being gay is an ISIS thing that has just been projected on to every single heavily-Muslim group that liberals don’t like. Yeah, Hamas is homophobic and has surely inflicted terrible violence on gay people when it’s politically expedient for them, but they aren’t hunting gays down to murder them like that because it’s not politically expedient to do when you have the IOF trying to kill you (also they’ve become more secularized over time, but good luck persuading a lib of that).
Literally just Islamophobia but woke.
Radlibs don’t realize that them allowing rainbow imperialism and repeating its narratives spreads reactionary anti-imperialism to oppose it. Every rainbow covered bomb they drop creates a new righteous homophobe yet they keep supporting it. Don’t they see how they are making a reactionary soup with their bullshit and lack of solidarity? Ceding the moral high ground for what? Feeling better about their imperialist nature?
Most places in the world are fairly equally shit for trans people. If a place is doing well, it is often hard for trans people still. If a place is in war and in famine, downgrade those conditions a step as you would if it were somewhere nice and calm.
And Iran isn’t even the worst conditions. Of the countries with the most trans surgeries, the USA is number one, Thailand is two, and Iran is three. Iran’s major cities are very modern and even look nicer to live in than many American ones.
Cost of living is very important to trans people, as we are often making less due to discrimination. Every trans person I’ve talked to in China has mentioned the discrimination and some unusual cultural quirks, but they’ve also mentioned they’ve not met a single homeless trans person. For the record, it’s very easy to find homeless trans people in America, you can find some on hexbear even in our mutual aid comm. And despite the discrimination, these Chinese trans people have cheap housing in the downtown of major cities
Also fuck some loser using SV victims to make a point. Let those SV victims speak for themselves. As one myself it drives me up the fucking wall when people bring this shit up for political slapfights online.
Cost of living is very important to trans people, as we are often making less due to discrimination.
Also usually having to pay for our own medical care
※This also applies in countries with universal healthcare
neat
there have been situations where gays have been pressured into transition in iran, afaik that is true. but its not nearly as widespread as this claim makes it seem, and this particular claim is meant to downplay the improvement to life of transgender people, as Iran has provided transgender surgeries to much of the middle east’s transgender population (who can afford it). downplaying the tangible improvement to the quality of life of trans people is patently transphobia.
and shipping homeless trans people out of sight in china? yeah ok whatever
the closest thing ive heard to that is being deported back to your home province (china has internal passports to preserve culture and language) if you lose your visa to live in a particular place. they always make sure you have a place to live in this situation. the absolute worst ive heard is from a trans person who got deported back to their hometown and had to live with their parents for a bit (they have to take you in), and what this trans person did is apply for a plot of land (free) so they could build their own housedownplaying the tangible improvement to the quality of life of trans people is patently transphobia.
In this case, I think it’s being a bad supporter of trans liberation because it undermines understanding of how conditions can improve, but ideologically I think this is more Islamophobia than anything in this specific case.
There are issues with China’s system, mostly having to do with you “having a home” legally but it’s a place where it isn’t viable to live (e.g. due to abuse or you’re seeking a job elsewhere). I think that “shuffling the homeless off” by giving them fucking homes is not the own on China that they think it is.
oh edited a small response to that troll into my other message
fun final last words from pugjesus on blahaj lol
It’s wild that that’s what finally got that fucker to be banned. They were one of the biggest anticommunist “shithexbearsays”-style posters iirc, so it’s good news for us.
I’m just so utterly, utterly shocked that the anticommunist who spend all their free time malding about those evil hexbears turned out to be a reactionary transphobic asshole! Really, who could’ve possibly seen something like this coming?
Yeah, it was interesting to see how much people overeacted to drag despite agreeing on like everything else when it comes to communists
13·3 days agoSomething something anticommunism and reactionary
This is more of the “if you didn’t vote for Harris, you support Trump” logic. Support for countries battling the US Imperialist Empire is NOT also support for their suppression of human rights. Until the head is cut off the snake, human rights will continue to suffers at the hands of militarism.
The crowd that wants to drone strike and bomb every queer person in the middle east for being the wrong ethnic group is whining about queer people NOT wanting to do that
Hilarious and obscene on these chuds part, the greatest killer of Palestinian queer people has been Israel
What I don’t understand is how libs can’t go outside and see the things they say other countries are doing to queer and trans folks are happening right outside their door.
America could do a billion atrocities and they would still be focused on the things other countries are doing. It’s because they don’t want to fix their own backyard, because that takes actual effort. Instead they’d rather complain about things they have no control over because this lets them feel morally superior without needing to actually go outside and try to make change happen.
Libs come in here and prove me wrong. You can’t.
Yeah but Putler is evil
The Chilcot report? What’s that?
Because the New York Times apologizes when our cops do it, and vilifies when theirs do
It’s because they don’t want to fix their own backyard, because that takes actual effort.
Very ironic considering that a lot of these people are also likely the kind of people to say “Why are immigrants coming here? They should fix the problems in their own country instead!”
insert Redsails article on brainwashing doesn’t exist because people seek out imperialist propaganda to justify their worldview
No see, America is special, so we get to judge them based on what people want America to be like, it wouldn’t be fair to America to judge it based on the actions of the country or their people, but those other countries need to be judged based on the absolute worst members of their population and treated as if their most reprehensible people represent the average person’s view.
